Revenge? (OOC)

Aug 8, 2025 7:02 pm
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Aug 8, 2025 7:47 pm
The way I which Persephone and Emma have been kind of trading off being traumatized and having lighter scenes has been interesting, to say the least! Such a contrast, first in one direction and now the other. Which is all to say I am impressed with your description of Emma's trauma, @Delirium. I really feel for her and recognize that numbness, for sure.

meanwhile, Benji is actually doing something to figure stuff out! I'm glad someone is.
Aug 8, 2025 8:07 pm
Drgwen says:
... I am impressed with your description of Emma's trauma, ...
Agreed. It is almost disturbingly evocative.

@Delirium are you alright with how this is going? I know it is hard on Emma (though we know fixing the scars is well within our capabilities... for a 'price').

Let us know how long you want to wallow in your hollowness, I brought ... Waterman into the scene to move it along, but don't want to rush you or Emma, also let me know if you have any desires for how the scene goes from here.
Aug 8, 2025 8:21 pm
Drgwen says:
... I am impressed with your description of Emma's trauma, ...
vagueGM says:
Agreed. It is almost disturbingly evocative.
Thanks. It has been an interesting writing experience, and I enjoyed it, in a strange sort of way.

As for Emma; I think she will definitely want to get herself properly fixed. After that though....I really don't know. She would probably want to take a long break from it all, maybe disengage from the entire supernatural world altogether. But we will see how it goes.
Aug 8, 2025 8:22 pm
Delirium says:
... maybe disengage from the entire supernatural world altogether. ...
Ha! Good luck with that.
Aug 8, 2025 8:34 pm
vagueGM says:
You can roll to Put a Face to a Name with Wild if you think you know of him.
I rolled to see if Emma knows him (added to my last post), and it's a '10', even with a -1 to wild...
I don't think it would make sense for him to owe Emma a favor. Lets go instead with 'learn something interesting and useful about them', besides the normal effect of a hit. Also, I finally get to advance! Yay!!!
Aug 8, 2025 8:43 pm
Delirium says:
... Also, I finally get to advance! Yay!!!
Yay!

Any idea what you will be taking? No hurry.
Aug 8, 2025 8:57 pm
Can I pick 'Potent' from the specter playbook as a 'move from another playbook'?
I'm not sure it is really considered 'a move'...
Aug 8, 2025 9:06 pm
Delirium says:
Can I pick 'Potent' from the specter playbook as a 'move from another playbook'?
I'm not sure it is really considered 'a move'...
Let's take a look...

Yes, it is definitely 'a Move', so you are welcome to take it if you want.

Personally I generally find pure Stat boosts boring, but this one does help with your frequent rolling of Let It Out, so it is, by no means, a bad option for you.

Can you describe how you, somehow become more 'Potent' though recent experience? (Or grow into it, even if you don't feel potent right now.:). Not necessary, but it is fun to let the Move names inform the character so they are not just Stat boosts. :)

We can talk about any other Advancement thoughts you have as well, if you want.
Aug 8, 2025 9:10 pm
I kinda like Emma's 'let it out' abilities, and being better at them would be nice, certainly more appealing than a new ability from another playbook. I am growing into liking the 'Witch' playbook more and more, and I can see Emma wanting to learn some magic to protect herself after her latest ordeal. So for now, I'd like to at least put into the narrative that she has the potential to do magic. If she commits to it or not I really can't tell right now.
Aug 8, 2025 9:21 pm
Delirium says:
... I am growing into liking the 'Witch' playbook more and more, and I can see Emma wanting to learn some magic to protect herself after her latest ordeal. ...
I only glanced at the playbook when it came out, but you we could also look at taking a magic Move now and getting your Spirit up later (possibly via Corruption Advance?). If it were just for 'Witch Magic' I would say taking a Stat boost to power that is a subpar option (we never know how long it might take to get another Advance), but since you are already, maybe, leaning towards 'slightly magic' we can start to flavour your Let It Out as having a magic element and make it more Potent now.

You can also grab a Let It Out Ability from another playbook (via your If You Can't Beat 'Em Corruption Move) giving you more options with that.

Speaking of... Do you think you have 'ignored your mortal commitments or relationships to deal with the supernatural', leaving David bedridden and alone? If so, that is your Corruption Trigger, so Mark Corruption. :)
Aug 8, 2025 9:46 pm
Delirium says:
... I am growing into liking the 'Witch' playbook more and more, and I can see Emma wanting to learn some magic to protect herself ...
I am not sure what parts of that Playbook you are looking at, the only Move that see that would really benefit you is Fur Black as Black for a familiar to allow you to use Heart for Let It Out. The Benign and Dangerous Magics are not Moves they are Features like your Relationships.

If you want to learn those Magics you will need to find a coven to teach you, this can be done by Changing to a new Playbook when you Advance (we can talk about waiving the 'after five advances' since PbP is slow), but can also be done in the fiction by finding and befriending a coven and convincing them to trust you enough to teach you... (doing it in the fiction would not (necessarily) change you from the Aware Playbook, though that could be a price they ask of you, we would need to see how it goes).
Aug 8, 2025 10:28 pm
I need to start finding ways/reasons to roll Circle! I also wanna start causing more Corruption -- I keep forgetting. One issue with the style of playing I often fall into is simply following the narrative, exploring the character, etc, rather than thinking explicitly about how to invoke mechanics.
Aug 8, 2025 10:34 pm
Also, I am curious what other people think about something. I am considering bringing Circe in on Persephone's secret..

My question is, that would definitely change the narrative tension with Circe, AND it would mean that Persephone has some familial support, which I think would change the tenor of her story. Do folks think that would be an improvement? A mistake? Or just an option to explore?
Aug 9, 2025 4:23 am
Drgwen says:
... I often fall into is simply following the narrative, exploring the character, etc, rather than thinking explicitly about how to invoke mechanics. ...
Urban Shadow is particularly hard on that style.

I have been toying with running a Monster of the Week game without Hit Points and Experience: If you get hurt you deal with the narrative consequences of your injury in the ways that that Condition would affect you in the fiction; if you want to gain a new Feature or Move, or improve a Stat, you come up with a plan as to how you would do that in the fiction. You don't have a Playbook, as such, you start with a reasonable assortment of Features from the various playbooks (possible the more mundane ones?) and add on as you play.

This, obviously, requires trust in the players, and the GM, so we don't end up with power-loading all the 'best' features from all the playbooks.
[ +- ] origin
Aug 9, 2025 4:34 am
vagueGM says:
but you we could also look at taking a magic Move now and getting your Spirit up later
I don’t want to make that much of a commitment. There is something fun about playing a mortal who is out of her depth, surviving (..and I hope more than that 😊 ) only by her wits and charm. Gaining real supernatural power might allow her to use actual charm to deal with her problems, but I feel somehow that it would make things a bit less exciting.

I don’t know.

I keep going back and forth on this in my mind, which is why I would rather not to make that choice right now until I am sure I am ready for it. What I know for certain is that I want Emma to have ‘the gift’, which we can spin into more interesting stories and interactions. Taking a ‘Let it out’ ability using ‘If You Can't Beat 'Em’ would probably be the next step, rather than changing the whole playbook, once I finally make up my mind about it.

For now ‘Potent’ does sound like the most fun to me, mainly because I want Emma to be a good investigator. Sneaking/breaking into places she’s not supposed to be, finding clues. I enjoy playing her like that, even if it inevitably leads her from one disaster straight into the next.
vagueGM says:
Do you think you have 'ignored your mortal commitments or relationships to deal with the supernatural
Not sure about that one. Emma was sure she could be back before David ever noticed. It wasn’t a conscious choice to abandon him so much as a failure to keep all the balls in the air. It is different, than, say, her decision to skip dinner with her in-laws so she could attend the party in Arundel. THAT was a deliberate choice of her, and she should have gotten corruption for that, even if she did make it up for them later.
There have been a couple of other moments like that, I think, but this one feels less clear-cut. Not that I mind the corruption (I have a few other corruption advances I’ve been eyeing ), but it doesn’t quite feel like it had the same element of personal choice.
Aug 9, 2025 6:47 am
drgwen says:
My question is, that would definitely change the narrative tension with Circe
It might change the tension, but not necessarily in a positive way, especially if she tells Circe everything. Her sister might not be as understanding as she hopes if she knows Pers job is basically convincing people to sell their souls to the devil. Most people, I would assume, wouldn't.
Aug 9, 2025 6:55 am
Drgwen says:
My question is, that would definitely change the narrative tension with Circe, AND it would mean that Persephone has some familial support, which I think would change the tenor of her story. Do folks think that would be an improvement? A mistake? Or just an option to explore?
Personally, I would definitely be interested in seeing how it plays out if you decide to take your story in that direction! :D
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Aug 9, 2025 2:11 pm
Delirium says:
... There is something fun about playing a mortal who is out of her depth ... Gaining real supernatural power might ... make things a bit less exciting. ...
So true.
Delirium says:
... rather than changing the whole playbook ...
We can always change the Playbook later, when the time is right. That can be a big rejigger of the character, so planning it out now is often counter-productive. As you say: just keep playing it as you have and see how it goes.
Delirium says:
... ‘Potent’ ... from one disaster straight into the next. ...
Sounds about right. :)
Delirium says:
... Emma was sure she could be back before David ever noticed. It wasn’t a conscious choice to abandon him so much as a failure to keep all the balls in the air. ...
Up to you.

Not being able to keep all the balls in the air is, I think, the point of this Trigger?
Delirium says:
... it doesn’t quite feel like it had the same element of personal choice. ...
You did, however, choose to wander into a nest of vampires, even after seeing the dead bodies, you figured getting to the safe was more important than keeping yourself safe for your loved ones... seems a bit like you are putting the supernatural before your Relationships...? It's not like you could not predict something like this could happen. :)

You also chose to let Tara feed on you, but maybe you thought it would be more like when Elliot did it, or when you had friends to back you with Chablis and you were 'in control'... you might know better next time, especially after the scar-scare.

But, as I say, it is up to you.
Aug 9, 2025 2:11 pm
Drgwen says:
... bringing Circe in on Persephone's secret... change the narrative tension with Circe ...
Circe certainly thinks she is up for it. Not including her could have repercussions, too.
Drgwen says:
... would mean that Persephone has some familial support ..
You think so? It could also lead to Persephone losing that familial support if things go badly. As Delirium says, maybe glossing over some of the more horrific specifics would be in order?
Aug 9, 2025 2:52 pm
vagueGM says:
you figured getting to the safe was more important than keeping yourself safe for your loved ones.
If that would have been the standard for gaining corruption, I would have been forced to retire Emma a long time ago due to racking up like a thousand corruption. She puts herself in a lot of dangerous situations.
Aug 9, 2025 3:26 pm
:)

The difference here is that you did actually abandon David who was relying on you to get back home and take care of him. The situation he has found himself in is your doing. But it is up to you. Maybe reserve judgement till after you get back?
Aug 10, 2025 3:34 am
I think this calls for a Devil Inside roll?
Aug 10, 2025 4:27 pm
Drgwen says:
I think this calls for a Devil Inside roll?
If only it were that easy. :(
Dark Bargain says:
... you must perform an act of contrition before you can invoke their influence again.
Doing your job might work, but there may also be other ways, or other 'costs'.
Aug 10, 2025 6:58 pm
vagueGM says:
Drgwen says:
I think this calls for a Devil Inside roll?
If only it were that easy. :(
Dark Bargain says:
... you must perform an act of contrition before you can invoke their influence again.
Doing your job might work, but there may also be other ways, or other 'costs'.
Oh this is too good! I had actually forgotten that she had lost the power to change! But YES, this is a perfect narrative moment. Now she has to choose between betraying this naive girl that she has just started catching feelings for in order to prove herself to her sister, or find some other solution.

We've talked a bit about the fact that 'getting out of her contract' is a campaign goal, and not something I would want to happen any time soon. So I think it is unavoidable that Persephone do some jobs. Also, I think we got a glimpse of Persephone trying hard to be her better self, but I'm not ready yet for that to actually 'stick.' I think instead she will try to play both sides, doing the job for her patron (and thus regaining her ability to show Circe she's telling the truth), then getting Circe and Henry (and Emma) on board the idea that Persephone wants to get out of her contract, all while continuing to do demon work on the side, maybe.

In short, I want to explore a subtle, messy, fractured response to her traumatic murder, one where she is almost split in two (but not going into D.I.D. territory).
Aug 10, 2025 7:31 pm
Drgwen says:
... Now she has to choose between betraying this naive girl that she has just started catching feelings for in order to prove herself to her sister, or find some other solution. ...
Well, not just 'to prove it to you sister' (and David?), also to avoid any other prices for shirking your responsibilities. :)
Drgwen says:
... 'getting out of her contract' is a campaign goal, and not something I would want to happen any time soon. ...
Absolutely. This is just a little light at the end of tunnel, not, in any way, a getting you any closer to that goal.
Drgwen says:
... So I think it is unavoidable that Persephone do some jobs. ...
Not engaging with that part of the Playbook would be a pity, so yeah, just sad it is with someone like Viviana... but that may be part of the point... these are not exactly saints you are working for. :)
Drgwen says:
... Also, I think we got a glimpse of Persephone trying hard to be her better self, but I'm not ready yet for that to actually 'stick.' ...
I worry for her, betraying Viviana may cause her to come unstuck... but that is also part of the Playbook.
Drgwen says:
... I think instead she will try to play both sides ...
Good luck with that.
Drgwen says:
... then getting Circe and Henry (and Emma) on board the idea that Persephone wants to get out of her contract ...
Sounds like a plan.

Showing her The Devil Inside is not the only way to prove to Circe that you were not teasing her, of course.
Drgwen says:
... In short, I want to explore a subtle, messy, fractured response to her traumatic murder ...
It is hard to imaging what having such a thing be proved to be non-permanent would do to someone... :)
Aug 10, 2025 8:35 pm
vagueGM says:
I worry for her, betraying Viviana may cause her to come unstuck... but that is also part of the Playbook.
Agreed, and, I think, an unavoidable result at this point. Well, at least I don't plan to avoid it!
vagueGM says:
It is hard to imaging what having such a thing be proved to be non-permanent would do to someone... :)
Yeah, I've thought a lot about what that would do to a person and, well, I think it would fundamentally change a person, scarring them psychologically forever. Can the victim heal from that? Yes, eventually, but that's not something you shrug off.
Aug 10, 2025 8:39 pm
Drgwen says:
... I think it would fundamentally change a person, scarring them psychologically forever. Can the victim heal from that? Yes, eventually, but that's not something you shrug off.
For some reason that post made me think about Persephone (eventually) changing Playbooks to The Angel...? Not sure on the logic there...
Aug 10, 2025 8:51 pm
Oooh! That certainly would be a cool transformation for her, wouldn't it? I just assumed she'd become an Imp or Hunter if she escapes her Contract. But who knows? The Angel might be the best choice of the three!
Aug 10, 2025 8:52 pm
I haven't actually looked at the Playbook, just riffing off assumptions of what it might be...
Aug 10, 2025 8:57 pm
It is also a Heart focused playbook, so mechanically it works. Angle wings, can conjure angel weapons and armor -- it really is the flip side of the Tainted.

Also, I have decided to pair Persephone getting drunk with her demonic side asserting itself, as a kind of synecdoche.
Aug 10, 2025 9:01 pm
Drgwen says:
... Also, I have decided to pair Persephone getting drunk with her demonic side asserting itself, ...
Yeah, I noticed the 'drinking already'...
Aug 11, 2025 2:13 am
So, the Tainted playbook has two sections that refer to contracts and bargains. My "Demonic Jobs" selection includes brokering demonic contracts. Then there is the Dark Bargain move.

What I don't yet know is HOW these occur. Like, Dark Bargain refers to sealing a deal in smoke and blood. But do I write up a contract? Is there a ritual? Does one magically appear? And when brokering a demonic contract, do they literally have to sign their name on the dotted line? And how does the Demonic Job relate, or not, to the optional Move?

Obviously I can come up with answers to all this, but I thought I'd ask if you had anything concrete in mind, @vagueGM .
Aug 11, 2025 4:30 am
Drgwen says:
... My "Demonic Jobs" selection includes brokering demonic contracts. Then there is the Dark Bargain move. ...
I assume they are deliberately left vague, so you can treat them independently of each other (if you only have one but not the other?), or link them together if you have both and want to make the blood and smoke of Dark Bargain be part of your 'brokering deals' and possibly 'collecting souls'.

'They' might not allow you to be part of the 'contract signing ceremony', not until they trust you... but you may be able to convince them?
Drgwen says:
... Dark Bargain refers to sealing a deal in smoke and blood. But do I write up a contract? ...
As we saw in the sacrifice room, you don't have complete carte blanche to makes these deals, (and, this is for sealing a deal, not for negotiating one, as you tried), but something bigger than you enforces them.

These Bargains are not mechanically tied to your Jobs or their 'Contracts', you can use this in the fiction to force someone to do things they agreed to for you (4-Harm will kill most NPCs if they don't), or to make yourselves better able for the duration of a task (Henry (and Circe) won't mechanically benefit from a +1, but you (and Emma, if you can get her helping you:) might benefit from the +1 to Let It Out while seeking your Chaudry Revenge?).
Drgwen says:
... two sections that refer to contracts and bargains ...
They need not be the same thing. 'Bargains' might be street-level deals with people to help you, the 'Contracts' (a term only used twice in the actual mechanical text of the Playbook (and once as a synonym for Jobs?)) are part of your deal and Jobs. Bargains could be spoken-contracts (with smoke and blood, but that is your doing), while the contracts seem to be more corporate stacks of paper filled with legalese?
Drgwen says:
... Is there a ritual? Does one magically appear? ... do they literally have to sign their name on the dotted line? ...
How did it happen for you?
Drgwen says:
... And how does the Demonic Job relate, or not, to the optional Move? ...
You can weave Dark Bargains into the brokered contract, but they both exist independent of each other (you might not have both). Showing the good use of your Dark Bargain ability might get you closer to the paperwork during a signing, but who knows. Depends how you play it?
Drgwen says:
... Obviously I can come up with answers to all this ...
For the part of this that stems from your character's experience we rely on you for the details. But your experience was unique and may not have much bearing on what Viviana goes thought... it probably serves as a guide for us, though?

We don't need to know till we see (or don't see) the next Contract (Soul) being signed (away). But we can talk about it if it helps your shaping your approach with Viv?
Drgwen says:
... concrete in mind ...
There is no concrete in my mind!
Aug 11, 2025 5:09 am
Does Emma have enough to go on to roll 'figure someone out', maybe based on Mrs Spunklecleif tone of voice?
Aug 11, 2025 5:23 am
vagueGM says:
I assume they are deliberately left vague, so you can treat them independently of each other (if you only have one but not the other?), or link them together if you have both and want to make the blood and smoke of Dark Bargain be part of your 'brokering deals' and possibly 'collecting souls'.
..

...These Bargains are not mechanically tied to your Jobs or their 'Contracts', you can use this in the fiction to force someone to do things they agreed to for you (4-Harm will kill most NPCs if they don't), or to make yourselves better able for the duration of a task (Henry (and Circe) won't mechanically benefit from a +1, but you (and Emma, if you can get her helping you:) might benefit from the +1 to Let It Out while seeking your Chaudry Revenge?).

...There is no concrete in my mind!
OK this all works for me! Let's figure it out in play! OK, sleep for me.
Aug 11, 2025 5:04 pm
Delirium says:
Does Emma have enough to go on to roll 'figure someone out', maybe based on Mrs Spunklecleif tone of voice?
You will only be able to learn what is reasonable for you to learn within the fiction. So mainly 'hints' from her tone?

You may need to probe her for answers, but, I can tell you for free, she is in the room with David, you maybe don't want him hearing what the nosy neighbour has to say?

Go ahead and roll it if you want, but she is a nobody (unless you roll real bad and turn her into a threat?), so it might not be worth the risk?
Aug 11, 2025 5:31 pm
I think I'll skip the roll then, and see if Emma can call anyone else to drop by her apartment. Kenedi, most likely.
Aug 11, 2025 8:25 pm
Delirium says:
... call anyone else to drop by her apartment. Kenedi, most likely.
Could do, she may be miffed at your wasting her time. Do you want her to agree or do we force you to lean on Persephone ... or even Circe as a last resort? If it is too early to start mending fences, then you may have to Owe Kenedi one for deal with the snooping neighbour. :)
Aug 11, 2025 8:31 pm
I think Kenedi is her best option right now. She'll owe her one, especially if she could pick up some clothes for her on the way.
Aug 11, 2025 8:32 pm
Make it so.
Aug 13, 2025 2:14 am
OK so Pers is having a PTSD episode, like a real one. I god-moded Circe and Henry just a bit at the end, in part because I wanted to switch to a kind of third-person perspective in the last paragraph. We are seeing Persephone entirely from the outside, as observers, there; her internal perspective is no longer available to us. If that makes sense.

iIf you would prefer I not take such a firm hand with what Circe and Henry do here, I can edit the post (!!) or post a revision. Let me know, ok @vagueGM ?

And I hope no one minds me sharing a bit of personal IRL vulnerability here, but yeah -- that's what my PTSD episodes were like, when they were bad. And that last paragraph? Total depersonalization. Thank god for therapy.
Aug 13, 2025 3:26 am
Drgwen says:
... I god-moded Circe and Henry just a bit at the end, ... If you would prefer I not take such a firm hand with what Circe and Henry do ...
No problem. Please use the NPCs as much as you need to show us your characters (without contradicting their personalities, of course, this seemed spot-on.).
Drgwen says:
... I hope no one minds me sharing ...
Thank you for that.

Maybe a 'trigger warning' on the post? But I don't know that it is needed when done with the grace and eloquence you used.
Drgwen says:
(in RP) ... uselessly looking on, uncertain of what to do. ...
I don't think either of them will have any idea how to 'fix' this.

Do they end up calling an ambulance so you end up in the 'violence against women' ward where Emma is?
Aug 13, 2025 4:09 am
vagueGm says:
Does Benji find any messages from either of you saying you are alright, or asking after his well-being?
Emma would have called and texted Benji multiple times, yes, just like she did Persephone.
Aug 13, 2025 4:17 am
Delirium says:
vagueGm says:
Does Benji find any messages from either of you saying you are alright, or asking after his well-being?
Emma would have called and texted Benji multiple times, yes, just like she did Persephone.
If you say so. ;|

I got the impression that part of your falling out was that you may have texted 'multiple times' (as in 'more than once'), but then gave up and figured "She's dead, so I may as well focus on my spa weekend, so that I am more relaxed... which is what really matters". :)
Aug 13, 2025 4:31 am
The multiple calls/texts should have happend within the span of a single day, yes.
Aug 13, 2025 2:29 pm
So, right now, Persephone cannot really do anything without access to her demon form and it may seem that I have narrated her into a corner. but I have two ideas for how to proceed.

Idea one:
Her patron returns her demon form to her. He is satisfied that, now that virtually ALL of Persephone's mortal connections have been severed, she will be more dependent on him, etc. So she transforms and runs. Maybe she does it when Circe is sleeping or not present, but Circe either glimpses it or sees video footage afterwards (which would bring a new set of issues!).

Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.

Ultimately I'd like her to get free of this and leave the hospital, but I want Circe to get enough hard evidence that Persephone might not be mentally ill to allow her to reconnect later.

Any ideas?
Aug 13, 2025 3:47 pm
Delirium says:
The multiple calls/texts should have happend within the span of a single day, yes.
I realize I might not have been clear; Emma called/texted Pers and Benji on the day she escaped, and not since. The falling out with Pers happened due to the confrontation at Emma's apartment, after she returned from the dead.
Aug 13, 2025 4:34 pm
Delirium says:
(in RP) ... and .... she didn't have any clothes. ... She was stuck here in hospital, ...
Do you want Circe, in a nearby room, to overhear you talking and come to your rescue? She still likes you, even if she is worried about what role you and your ex have in fostering her sister's delusion (she might relish the opportunity to poke around your place and see)? David knows her so her getting you clothes would not come as a surprise.

Else your mother-in-law can bring you something (something much more dowdy:) tomorrow.

Else, it might be amusing to send Benji over to get your clothes, hopefully while Evelyn in there to judge. :)

Else Kenedi is still an option, but NPCs can't drop everything to cater to our whims. :)
Aug 13, 2025 4:37 pm
Let's go either with her in-laws, or Kenedi. Emma doesn't expect Kenedi to drop everything and come to her rescue, but since Emma is spending the entire night at the hospital, she should be off work sometimes during that duration. At any rate, I hope Emma would be well enough to leave the next day?
Aug 13, 2025 4:38 pm
Drgwen says:
... So, right now, Persephone cannot really do anything without access to her demon form ...
That was meant to add to the story, not block it. We can find a way around this, we just need to decide how we want to do it.

We can scrap the whole idea if we need to, give you back your Form and have a bit reveal. But that feels like a last resort?

I am not sure your being separated from your friends and family should mean you get back your ability to prove to your friends and family you are for real and fix the separation... It seems your expert manipulator Dark Patron would understand this?

We can get Benji in, but having him cut you loose seems a little off.

You do have a Job to do, and you can't do that from the hospital bed. We can say that Viv would not respond well to such an environment, she does not need to have the 'gay is a mental disorder' argument reinforced.

As foreshadowing for the Invocation Playbook Move (whether you take it or not), you could and up being teleported out (empty restraints and hospital gown left behind, cameras showing you there ... and then not there) so you can 'get on with it'?

This would not serve as the strong evidence you want for Circe, but will be a start? You can start mending fences, and save the proof (which is, unfortunately, also 'proof that you were right!' which implies that 'they were wrong!', which is a bit negative:) for later, maybe when you get your powers back, or by some other means? This might get Circe out looking for answers and finding them on her own (which is a bit more 'positive')? Possibilities are nearly endless.

I don't want to waste all this delicious trauma. The scars scene [ref] should have weight going forward (and maybe Titianias can help you too?:)

What do you (the player) want to see happen? We can shape things to get there.
Aug 13, 2025 4:42 pm
Delirium says:
... I hope Emma would be well enough to leave the next day? ...
Maybe not completely wise to leave that soon, but you can do it, especially if you think the other surgery can fix you better.

We can arrange clothes for then.
Delirium says:
... Let's go either with her in-laws, or Kenedi. ...
Sure. Whichever you prefer.
Aug 13, 2025 4:43 pm
It's pretty boring playing from the hospital bed, so yes, let's have her leave. Can I narrate her arriving at her apartment?
Aug 13, 2025 4:45 pm
Delirium says:
... Can I narrate her arriving at her apartment?
Narrate away.
Aug 13, 2025 8:41 pm
vagueGM says:
... Persephone ... being teleported out ...
Drgwen: Or, if you want a little more direct involvement, you could risk rolling Let It Out and use your • move through or past a physical obstacle created by mortal hands ability. This carries the risk of rolling low and both dooming you to being stuck here (which we don't want) and of showing that that ability is taken from you too... or of rolling high and showing that that one, somehow, is not... which could be interesting to explore?

If you don't risk it you Patron still could, which would put them in charge and define the power-dynamic. No Debts, though, since it is only so you can do your Job that they are transporting you.

Just spitballing.
Aug 13, 2025 10:27 pm
Drgwen says:
Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.
I’m open to this, if you’re still interested in this idea, @Drgwen. I was going to have Benji realise he has messages from Persephone (who he thought was dead!) and try to call her pretty soon. (Not sure if Persephone can answer the phone right now what with being restrained but maybe Circe can answer it for her). If Persephone asks Benji to break her out of hospital, he will do it, so that is definitely an option on the table.
Aug 14, 2025 5:25 am
vagueGM says:
That was meant to add to the story, not block it. We can find a way around this, we just need to decide how we want to do it.
I want to stick to the rules as written, so to speak. I want to see her earn that back by doing the thing she doesn't want to do, namely, betray Viv. She mostly avoided real responsibility for Howard; she needs to really feel the corruption. That's the only way her Patron would restore her, I think. I also like the idea of foreshadowing the Invocation move, but that also feels a bit like a cheat.

I wrote a post with Circe reaching out to Emma and Benji. Obviously they can react to it however they like, or ignore it.

But here's an idea. Wentworth. He already has Persephone under thumb, insofar as he is her superior in the organization. but, if he does something to really put her in his Debt, then he can ask for special side favors as well. So maybe HE comes in, in demon form, and frees her?

I like this idea because (a) it lets Circe know that there is something to this demon talk. This is not just Persephone's delusion. (b) it adds an interesting complication to Persephone's life. (c) It adds some complexity to the Wentworth character. It doesn't use one of the "cheats" we mentioned above. And it doesn't require her to be bailed out by another PC.

Thoughts?
Aug 14, 2025 5:26 am
oopsylon says:
Drgwen says:
Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.
I’m open to this, if you’re still interested in this idea, @Drgwen. I was going to have Benji realise he has messages from Persephone (who he thought was dead!) and try to call her pretty soon. (Not sure if Persephone can answer the phone right now what with being restrained but maybe Circe can answer it for her). If Persephone asks Benji to break her out of hospital, he will do it, so that is definitely an option on the table.
I'm also open to this idea, but perhaps Benji calls Persephone shortly after Wentworth busts her out?
Aug 14, 2025 6:13 am
Sure! Whichever you prefer! I had Benji call Circe, but if you’d prefer to have Wentworth come to Persephone’s aid, we can just have Benji talk to Circe briefly and then call Persephone back to talk to her properly once she gets out
Aug 14, 2025 6:35 am
Drgwen says:
... I want to stick to the rules as written ...
Well, the rules don't say what it means to not be able to 'invoke their influence again'. A strict reading of the rules could be that it only applies to the Dark Bargain Move, especially since the Playbook Move Notes section mentions that it might possibly not be your Dark Patron that you call upon to sanctify these deals, leaving it open for you to have some other power (especially if you took it as an Advance Take a Move from another Playbook).

We decided that it also included your Demon Form because you failed to transform right after that failure, so testing that Let It Out Ability in the same way is not unprecedented? But that does feel a bit like it should fall under the same umbrella of 'not working'.
Drgwen says:
... I think. I also like the idea of foreshadowing the Invocation move, but that also feels a bit like a cheat. ...
I do see that point, but this too is not unprecedented. You were already —while 'powerless'— teleported out of restraints and brought home... as part of your End Move. This is actually why I thought of this solution, only afterwards did I look at the sheet and see the Moves and Abilities that could do that sort of thing.
Drgwen says:
... Wentworth. ... put her in his Debt ... So maybe HE comes in, ... and frees her? ...
Sounds great. We can do that.
Drgwen says:
... HE comes in, in demon form ... it lets Circe know that there is something to this demon talk ...
Yeah... and possibly sends her into the looney bin in your place? Wouldn't we rather she have a sightly more gradual introduction, and do so when you are around to explain it to her?

I also don't see Wentworth barging in and showing his form to the hospital. That does not exactly fit the 'subtle manipulator vibe' of your organisation.

I can see Wentworth freeing you, possibly in a way that leaves Circe with questions. If you want him to show his form to her as your proof, that may need another Debt? If you want him to bring her along for the ride when he spirits you away, that also sounds like an extra Debt?

We can work on the flavour if we agree to the premise.
Aug 14, 2025 6:36 am
oopsylon says:
... we can just have Benji talk to Circe ...
Depending on how Wentworth pulls Persephone out, maybe we well need Benji to come to Circe's rescue and comfort her?

You two have met that one time, after the Chablis encounter.
Aug 14, 2025 12:44 pm
If I'm not too late, Emma would have come to visit Pers at the hospital too, but likely only after she saw Titanias first. Whether or not she helps though would depends whether Pers would be willing to stop doing contracts for her patron...
Aug 14, 2025 8:41 pm
Delirium says:
... whether Pers would be willing to stop doing contracts for her patron...
That is not an option.

Please find a way for Emma to work around that. Be it 'ignorance is bliss' or whatever else you can find to justify it. This is a requirement for the game.

Persephone wants to find a way to get out of that contract, so she is 'willing', but that is end-game stuff, so maybe that has to be enough for you? You could be willing to help her, but there are currently no clues as to how to do that, or what it will cost (and there won't be till we are ready to completely change the player's character), so that is relegated to a background objective.
Aug 14, 2025 10:34 pm
I have a problem.

For Emma, seducing people into selling their souls and condemning them to eternal torment is inexcusable, pure, unquestionable evil. It's not 'enforcing the patron's will on his minions', or 'tracking down rouge demons' - where the Tainted (and his friends) could keep on lying to themselves that what they are doing isn't capital 'E' Evil. This is the most 'in your face' I can think of.

Emma can accept that such evil exists in the world, and she may even be forced to interact with it at times, but asking her to help it, indulge it, or be friends with it would bend her character to the point where she would no longer be "Emma."

Yes, Emma made some questionable choices, but she still sees herself as a fundamentally good person. Helping someone she perceives as the moral equivalent of Hannibal Lecter escape so they can keep doing harm is simply asking too much if far her. As horrible is it sounds, leaving an unrepentant Pers locked up in a Psych ward might be the thing that harms the least amount of people....

@Drgwen, I understand you wanted Pers and Emma to be friends, but as things stand, I can’t see that happening. Emma could work with Pers if necessary, but not as a friend, not unless Pers commits to changing her ways.

I honestly don’t see an easy solution here, because "ignorance" is no longer possible now that Pers has openly revealed what she does for her patron. I’m not saying Pers has to change, but we can’t expect Emma to enable her either.

I also admit the problem lies with the way I created Emma. I might need to consider playing a different character altogether, someone either more morally compromised or simply indifferent to these kinds of issues.
Aug 15, 2025 2:57 am
Delirium says:
... It's not 'enforcing the patron's will on his minions', or 'tracking down rouge demons' ...
Yes, but Emma has no idea about those other options. All the characters know is that Persephone has to do the Jobs she is given or else. She does not have a choice in the matter.
Delirium says:
... Yes, Emma made some questionable choices, but she still sees herself as a fundamentally good person. ...
She might think that, but, to an outside observer Emma is by far the most 'evil' player character in this game. The others don't have a choice, Emma chooses to destroy people's lives (I am thinking about poor Sarah, for instance) for her own comfort and convenience.
Delirium says:
... unless Pers commits to changing her ways ...
I don't know what you mean by 'commits to' and Persephone can not 'change her ways' at this time. She has no choice in this matter.

Persephone is actively trying to get out of the deal. That will have to enough.
Delirium says:
... Pers has openly revealed what she does for her patron. ...
Remind me where that revelation happened for Emma. We can maybe work within the facts presented there to find a solution to this impasse.
Delirium says:
... I also admit the problem lies with the way I created Emma. ...
This can be a very difficult game to play. We all have our own images of our characters in our own heads, and the game is about playing those characters and how they feel (it isn't simple 'orks are evil so we kill them'). Asking someone to 'be flexible' can undermine their character, so we want to find a way forward that does not break the character.

I say again, though: Persephone wants to get out of her Contract. If Emma cares she can try help her. This is not on the cards to happen soon, but that is a meta-game issue and the characters don't know that they will not find ways to do this in a hurry, this just means we will not focus the story on that aspect till it becomes relevant and interesting, the characters can still be trying to deal with it in the background, all the time.
Aug 15, 2025 3:40 am
vagueGM' says:
She might think that, but, to an outside observer Emma is by far the most 'evil' player character in this game. The others don't have a choice, Emma chooses to destroy people's lives (I am thinking about poor Sarah, for instance) for her own comfort and convenience.
Was that evil of her though? She took a total strangers into her tiny home. She clothed and fed her. She risked her own life to make sure no one was hunting her. She gave her time to get her act together and at least STARt looking for a new place/job, and even offered to help. And then she found said woman cozying up with her husband in bed (her perception perhaps, but she wouldn't have thrown her out if Sarah could have kept 'some' distance from David). So I would say she has gone above and beyond any 'obligation' any of us have to take care of our fellow men. Maybe she is not a saint, but I wouldn't call her evil. She's done more for a woman she didn't know than I personally would...

Anyways. I don't want this to turn into a discussion about the nature of evil,.else we could spend days and weeks and years talking about it and still not reach any agreement. Let's just say that Emma thinks tricking/seducing someone into the worst fate imaginable is very Evil.

And more importantly:
vagueGM' says:
Persephone can not 'change her ways' at this time. She has no choice in this matter.
But she does. She might lose all her powers (Emma doesn't have powers either), she might put herself in terrible danger. She might even die and sent to hell. But she would'nt be condemming other people to the same fate.
vagueGM says:
I say again, though: Persephone wants to get out of her Contract. If Emma cares she can try help her.
And Emma would be willing to help her with that. And like I said, Emma would even be willing to cooperate with her in other investigations. What we can't expect Emma is to be friends with someone she considers to be worse than a serial killer.
Aug 15, 2025 3:52 am
Delirium says:
... She might lose all her powers (Emma doesn't have powers either), she might put herself in terrible danger. She might even die and sent to hell. ...
We don't know the terms of the price, it could be worse than that. We know from the mechanics of the playbook that the Dark Patron is willing to involve friends and family in the deal, even Emma is at risk (see the Tainted's End Move).

I am telling you outright that Persephone does not have a choice. And that she is looking for a way out.
Delirium says:
... can't expect Emma is to be friends ...
Fair enough. You don't have to be friends, but you do have to work together.
Delirium says:
... someone she considers to be worse than a serial killer. ...
Like Elliot or Benji? You are stating that your character has made a choice that this is 'worse', but the people Persephone is brokering deals with obviously think otherwise, they think the price is worth it, so your opinion on 'the worst fate imaginable' is just that, your opinion.

Setting aside what we, the players, think about the existence of the soul and hell, is that such an important part of Emma's beliefs that it should derail the game or force a drastic change of character?
Aug 15, 2025 4:02 am
vagueGM says:
Like Elliot or Benji?
Emma isn't friends with Elliot. And Benji really does try to make sure he doesn't harm anyone. Emma might change her mind about him once she actually sees him lose control and kill someone. But for now, she wants to believe he can get it under control. And still - killing someone out of hunger is not subjecting them to eternal torment in a literal hell.
vagueGM says:
Fair enough. You don't have to be friends, but you do have to work together.
Which i am perfectly willing to. And if Pers is ever truly repentant, perhaps they might become friends again (though the longer it takes, the less likely it becomes).
Aug 15, 2025 4:04 am
Cool, no need to be 'friends'.
Aug 15, 2025 4:11 am
vagueGM says:
Setting aside what we, the players, think about the existence of the soul and hell, is that such an important part of Emma's beliefs that it should derail the game or force a drastic change of character?
Just as a note, as a player I don't believe in the existence of souls or the afterlife, but we're in a fictional world in which these things DO exist. Even if they didn't, Emma still considers herself to be a good person (even if others think it is up for debate, this is her own perception of herself). She has lines she won't cross. For that purpose, it doesn't matter if souls or hell exist or not. She wouldn't be personal friends with a murderer/rapiest either. She wouldn't help them escape prison/hospital so they could commit more crimes. Etc, etc

So this is not about belief in the supernatural, but more her personality and character.

If I need to change and play something else so I don't derail the game, I am willing to do that too. I really do enjoy playing with all of you, and it wasn't my intention to create a character that would end up disruptive to anyone's enjoyment of the game.
Aug 15, 2025 4:16 am
So long as Emma can work with the other PCs there is no problem. I mistook your "we can't be friends" to be a issue with playing with the character. They will have to work together, even if they don't like it.

I would like to see some effort to repair their relationship, but that is up to the players if they want that or want to play with in-game-tension between them.
Aug 15, 2025 4:27 am
Thanks. I did direct that question to @Drgwen on my original post though. I want to make sure she's alright with the way the two characters interact too.
Aug 15, 2025 6:11 am
Honestly, I am not sure. I need some time to process all this. As of now, I am uncomfortable with your representation of my character in the above posts.

I have been trying to portray Persephone as a deeply traumatized victim who was tricked into an awful scenario, but desperately wants to undo it, or escape it. To be clear, thus far, she really hasn't done anything exceptionally evil for her patron. She showed up and sat with a man while he took his own life. She allowed it to happen, which is problematic, but she was immediately remorseful about that.

With Viv, she met her, felt empathy toward her, and decided she would try to find a way NOT to condemn her. Then all hell broke loose, I rolled abysmally -- repeatedly -- and I let the results of those critical failures stand. As a result, Persephone was inflicted with a truly horrific experience and is now traumatized out of her mind, nearly catatonic with PTSD. And now, damaged, broken, and in pain, she is considering doing something truly evil. I was trying to portray her as sympathetic, not repellent; it seems I was not successful.

So I am at a bit of a loss. Let me think about it, ok?
Aug 15, 2025 6:16 am
As a player, I have sympathy for Pers situation, and I don't think she has done something morally repugnant yet either. Emma has no idea, of course, that Pers has yet to compromise herself (when Pers originally revealed her true form to Emma she merely said she is tasked with convincing people to sign away their souls).
Aug 15, 2025 6:16 am
For what it’s worth, I think the stuff that has recently happened to Emma is similar — really tragic and traumatizing stuff that makes her more sympathetic. I think you’ve done a great job of writing that.
Aug 15, 2025 6:19 am
Thank you, and I enjoyed reading everything you wrote too, despite it's visceral portrayal of trauma.

I think Emma is actually going to take a closer look at her own life now, and possibly make some adjustments. We'll see how it goes.
Aug 15, 2025 6:19 am
Delirium says:
... convincing people to sign away their souls).
We can retcon that sentence? We don't know what happens to 'souls' and such, it could be made all about recruiting people to work for demons if that makes it better?
Aug 15, 2025 6:23 am
Drgwen says:
... I was trying to portray her as sympathetic, not repellent; it seems I was not successful.
...
That is exactly how I read her. Forced to do repellent things, but very sympathetic.

Maybe she needs to be more circumspect with telling people about what she does? Maybe the rift with Emma gives her enough pause that she leaves that bit out when telling Circe? (Or we strike that from the record with Emma as well?).
Aug 15, 2025 8:11 am
I think I’ve identified one thing that is bothering me abut all this. Above, @Delirium , you claim that Emma could not accept someone seducing a person in order to get them to sell their soul. But (a) Persephone has not done this; she has suggested she might to Wentworth and she’s considered it via inner monologue, and (b) Emma wouldn’t know ANYTHING about any of that! So I am confused about your posts above in which you conclude, rather forcefully, that Emma will never be Persephone’s friend.

I also happen to find the moral condemnation above a bit off-putting, especially in this game/setting. I mean, that’s literally just the nature of the Playbook. What’s more, your condemnation feels a little bit like victim blaming, if I’m being honest. None of which sets well with me.

Does that all make sense?
Aug 15, 2025 12:20 pm
Sorry, it was a poor choice of words. I should have used 'tempt', rather than 'seduce'. When Pers first revealed her nature to Emma, she told her that's what her job entails; convincing people to sign away their souls, in the same way she was convinced

The moral condemnation isn't directed from me as a player. This is Emma expecting accountability and responsibility from Pers, and there might be an element of impatience there indeed too (the same way she was impatient with Sarah, who was also a victim). Maybe it is good for Pers to have someone who isnt OK with whatever it is she is doing, and calls her out for it? Pers herself knows what she is doing is evil, and admitted as such, so it shouldn't be a suprise other people have the same view on it?

Anyways, I never said they could never be friends again. I'm saying 'as long as'.

I realize Emma might not be too suitable for this game, if she can't stomach the actions of some of the playbooks. This is why I suggested I was the one who might need to make the change, rather than you.
Aug 15, 2025 5:27 pm
Delirium says:
Sorry, it was a poor choice of words. I should have used 'tempt', rather than 'seduce'. When Pers first revealed her nature to Emma, she told her that's what her job entails; convincing people to sign away their souls, in the same way she was convinced
Yes, and Persephone immediately and unequivocally lamented/bemoaned that situation, expressed a strong urge to escape it, and even asked for help doing so. I don't want to spend the time tracking down the posts as proof, but, again, I think you are responding to things Emma would not know. The only times Emma and Persephone discussed Persephone's contract situation, it was all about Persephone wanting to get out of it!!

I also find it strange that Emma seems perfectly comfortable consorting with vampires -- including "not nice" ones -- but finds Persephone so morally repugnant. Emma seemed incredibly empathetic toward Chablis, but seems incredibly cold toward Persephone. I don't get it.
Aug 15, 2025 5:48 pm
Ok. I think I can see your point; Pers did want out of her contract. And Emma was willing to help her, prompto. There wasn't any talk about Pers continuing her work for her patron, so Maybe I am letting OOC info taint Emma's perception.

Taking a step back I think it is more likely that I did.

As for Chablis; yes, Emma was willing to help her, just like she was willing to help Pers, and Sarah, because she felt sorry for all three. That help never extended to any/all vampires, however. Emma wants to track down Eliot not because she is empathic towards him, but because he could reign in the other vampires.
Aug 15, 2025 10:18 pm
I think this discussion is mostly resolved?

  • Persephone wants to get out of her contract and does not want to do this to people, especially not Viv.
  • Persephone currently has no way to get out, and has to do the Job.
  • Persephone believes she can get out of the contract... so she is not dooming others to eternity, they can get out as well, if they want to.
  • Emma does not approve.
    • Many do not approve of Emma's choices, either.
  • Emma does not know all the details.
  • Emma does know that Persephone wants out. So we have a way forward.
  • We don't need to be friends, so long as we can work together.
Aug 15, 2025 10:19 pm
Delirium says:
... This is why I suggested I was the one who might need to make the change, rather than you.
If you want to change your character, we can talk about it. It might be a bit too disruptive to the game at this fragile stage, though, and I worry it will bring its own set of similar difficulties.

Did you have thoughts about what you might choose?
Did you have thoughts about what happens to Emma, I am afraid she will end up 'returning as a Threat' if she does not have a player to guide her out of her self-destructive spiral.

I think we are coming to the end. The faerie problem is coming to a head and we will need to 'deal with it' and then may take a break ('end of season' or 'end of show'). And Emma is a big part of that (everyone wants a part of The Aware).
Aug 15, 2025 10:24 pm
@Drgwen: Let's find a way to get Persephone some traction on her quest to get free.

Getting hold of your Contract might be hard to play with, once you have it you might end up stuck in the legalese of the reams of paper, looking for a loophole. Do we want to go that route? I don't know what is in your Contract, shaping and defining the Dark Patron is up to the player, so I can not give it to you, but if you think you can make having it fun we can have you find it, no problem.

Another option is for a third party to offer you an out? If you want 'salvation' and are seriously thinking about transitioning to The Angel, then that could be 'divine intervention'; else it could be some other power wanting you for their own ends.

Another option could be to show that you are actually 'working towards the greater good'? I figured your Dark Patron was likely against the invasion of the Faeries? This could put you on the same side as the others. We can link Viv to that cause (her purpose is clearly not the same as yours, she could not do your Job).

Another, though related, option could see us aligning your Dark Patron with the Faeries, so your 'get out' help comes from someone working against them both?

Yet another option might be us aligning with the Faeries (who says they 'the bad guys'?) and working to bring them into the world? This could break your Dark Patron's hold?

This is mainly about Persephone and her Contract, but @oopsylon and @Delirium should weigh in on the 'Faeries' direction.
Aug 15, 2025 11:03 pm
OK I want to move forward with things that are true to the characters we've established, without any of us having to twist or change our visions. I want to honor what has occurred in the fiction. And I don't want to "cheap" out just to avoid a stumbling block. So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp.

So here's my first idea. Persephone gets committed to a psych ward today. Inside, she meets someone, someone who claims to talk to God. They are insane, but... well, they know things. Things they shouldn't, or can't. They look at Persephone and immediately know about their demonic taint, for example. This person provides Persephone some dirt on Wentworth and her Patron that she can use as leverage; she can use it to alter the Jobs enough to make them minimally morally acceptable. Indeed, she might even be able to steer her Patron's interests toward helping them with the faerie issue! At the end of this arc, perhaps Persephone is able to buy off her debt somehow, and she switches to the Angel playbook. Perhaps the person in the ward with her was an Angel too.

Second idea. They commit her, but Wentworth intervenes discretely; her American healthy insurance company is insisting she be "independently evaluated". There is a mix up in transit and she "escapes." Inadvertently she learns that Wentworth is planning a coup. She agrees to keep his secret and help him, in exchange, eventually, for her freedom. At the end, she retains her demonic nature, but she is her own boss, so to speak! She switches to the Imp playbook.

Thoughts?
Aug 16, 2025 5:05 am
vagueGM says:
If you want to change your character, we can talk about it.
I would prefere not too, but it sorta going in that direction, for IC reasons.

Emma has suffered too many setbacks, and it’s left her questioning everything. So far, she hasn’t really managed to investigate much, and without being able to demonstrate some worth she gets a sense that no one in the supernatural community takes her seriously, or really wants anything to do with her. What she did accomplish was nearly getting herself sacrificed, badly hurt (with the possibility of being scarred for life, which is especially unsettling since her appearance is such a core part of her identity), and on top of it, unable to properly care for her sick husband.

She's ready to throw in the towel, and I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this. She may get pulled into dealing with certain issues against her will (she still owes a few favor) but for now she really feels like the best option is to wrap things up as quickly as possible.
Aug 16, 2025 5:53 am
Drgwen says:
So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp.
..
Both those ideas are really cool! If you want Circe to still have concrete evidence that Persephone was telling the truth, I could have Benji go to the hospital to ‘rescue’ Persephone (too late) and, if you like, run into Circe and convince her that Persephone is not delusional by proving that he’s a vampire or something like that? Completely up to you, of course, but I just thought I’d throw the idea out there!
Aug 16, 2025 5:55 am
Delirium says:
She's ready to throw in the towel, and I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this.
Is there anything Benji could do to help?
Aug 16, 2025 6:21 am
oopsylon says:
Is there anything Benji could do to help?
That's very kind of you to ask. I think Emma's main concern right now is safety. People are just too eager and willing to hurt her, because she's a nobody. The Ivy Club, for instance, knew she was in Eliot's orbit, but they didn't hesitate to sacrifice her because he's gone, and there wouldn't be any repercussions.

I would assume violence is rarely used as a matter of course to settle disputes, because no one knows who owes who what debts, or who you are likely to upset by killing someone (not that it is ever off the table, but one would at least need to consider any possible consequences). That same courtesy isn't extended to her. That is why she was so concerned when Eliot disappeared, and was trying her best to find him.

I don't know if Benji is important and powerful enough, but taking her under his protection so people would at least hesitate before thinking about draining her dry would alleviate some of her concerns. It's not something I would ask of another player, however, and I don't think Thier friendship is THAT strong at this point to justify it IC.
Aug 16, 2025 6:23 am
Drgwen says:
... I don't want to "cheap" out just to avoid a stumbling block. ...
If the stumbling block is too big to get over, we can move it aside, they are meant to enhance the story not derail it.
Drgwen says:
... So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp. ...
We could probably go with either of your proposed scenarios and avoid needing to commit to a Playbook change at this time. Either could still lead to a place where both those Playbooks are viable changes.
Drgwen says:
... dirt on Wentworth and her Patron that she can use as leverage; ...
Can do.
Drgwen says:
... use it to alter the Jobs enough to make them minimally morally acceptable. ...
That works. We can definitely use the fiction to change the Jobs on your sheet, though the objectionable one is also sorta central to Persephone's character. They were recruited because of how well suited they were to enticing people in... We would need to address this change, but finding that they can not do that Job —without suffering a psychotic break— may be enough to justify it? Falling for Viv and forcing a change is also good story.

@Delirium: Would "I have altered the deal, now all I have to do is..." be enough for Emma?

You can also remove one of your Jobs via an Advance, we can ignore the 'only after five advances' since PbP makes that a long way away. We could make a quest that calls for all your 'friends' (and I use that term loosely) and sends you to all the Circles to get you (and those who help you) the needed Advance. This may sidetrack the characters from the objective of dealing with the weather, but that is fine.
Drgwen says:
... Indeed, she might even be able to steer her Patron's interests toward helping them with the faerie issue! ...
You think that is feasible? I think it is more likely they are already tackling that issue, and Viv is part of it. Why else were you sent to London at this time?
Drgwen says:
... perhaps Persephone is able to buy off her debt somehow ...
Buy off or fight off, yes, this is an option.
Drgwen says:
... Inadvertently she learns that Wentworth is planning a coup. ...
Sounds fun.

Aside from the complications with actually having a 'written contract', I was thinking that, however Wentworth got you out, it left you in a place where you could sneak a peak (possibly not getting all the piles of text so you only get a clue). But if you would prefer to find leverage on Wentworth, then that is cool too.

This does mean that a 'coup' is possible... which might sorta undermine your Dark Patron... but I can easily make that work.
Drgwen says:
... She agrees to keep his secret and help him ...
That sounds quite appropriate. And we will see how much this 'agreement' contains 'help' rather than sabotage. :)

Do you have a preference for how you get out? Remember that whatever happens will have knock-on effects. Don't base your decision on potential Playbook changes, let's play out this story and see how it goes.

How do you want this to affect Circe?
Maybe Wentworth 'teleports' you out, leaving an empty bed, and Circe sees that something happened but can't explain it... and the hospital don't have a record of you, so they don't come looking, and your aren't 'on the lamb'?

If you do the committed and meet 'an angel' or the 'lost in transit' then that leaves Circe in a pickle, worrying about you. We can do that, but it is complicated and will get in the way of your other plans.

Up to you.
Aug 16, 2025 6:27 am
Delirium says:
... I would prefere not too ...
Then let's try avoid changing characters.
Delirium says:
... but it sorta going in that direction, for IC reasons. ...
Those are all fixable. They may just require a little flexibility.
Delirium says:
... she gets a sense that no one in the supernatural community takes her seriously ...
Yet everyone seems to want a piece of The Aware. This is not a Playbook that the supernatural world takes seriously, you have no 'power' other than the value of being you.
Delirium says:
... or really wants anything to do with her. ...
I am sorry you got that impression. That was not the intention. But the sheer fact that the high and mighties even talk to you shows they do want you (even if just as a pawn).

I thought we made that clear (even to Emma) while speaking to Federico. Emma can do things they can't, there are places where they can not act.
Delirium says:
... nearly getting herself sacrificed ...
See? They do want you. :)
Delirium says:
... being scarred for life, which is especially unsettling since her appearance is such a core part of her identity ...
That can be fixed. If you are willing to take a chance on Titanias. Your name was approved, and even your dubious credit check did not put them off... surely that alone should interest Emma?
Delirium says:
... suffered too many setbacks ... hasn’t really managed to investigate much ...
To be clear, OOC: The drive you stole from Elliot is not lost. You left a handbag full of money in the car of the security guard, and he did not want to leave it with the hospital, he waited around for as long as he could but you did not indicate a desire to see 'your boyfriend' so they did not let him in, then you went to surgery and they sent him away...

You could try following up on that.
Delirium says:
... I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this. ...
I am sorry you feel that way. How can we help. Ultimately it is up to you, but Emma has many options. Just remember the scale she operates at, she is a mortal with no power, those with power have hinted that this gives her freedoms they lack, everyone you have dealt with wants you on their side (over those you actively wronged, even if you deny it).
Delirium says:
... she really feels like the best option is to wrap things up ...
'she feels'? Or you feel? We need to deal with those problems in different ways.
Delirium says:
... She may get pulled into dealing with certain issues against her will (she still owes a few favor) ...
If it is about Emma feeling like she does not know where to go next, we can pull her into something.
Aug 16, 2025 6:35 am
Delirium says:
I think Emma's main concern right now is safety…
I think if Emma voiced these concerns to Benji in-fiction, he would do whatever he could to help— whether that means ‘taking her under his protection’ or helping her track down Elliot. I recently took the Bloodhound move which could be very helpful in regard to the latter, I think?
Aug 16, 2025 6:39 am
Delirium says:
... I think Emma's main concern right now is safety. ...
That could be a problem. You are a low Status Mortal, putting yourself in dangerous situation is dangerous. You walked right into the middle of a vampire feeding party —even after seeing the dead people— and expected to be 'safe'?

Given that you even got out at all shows that people are not inclined to just sacrifice you... sorry... too soon?
Delirium says:
... The Ivy Club, for instance, ... sacrifice her because he's gone, and there wouldn't be any repercussions. ...
Yeah, but now they fear you, they don't know what you who you are, you put the fear of sod into them... Even if it was a lie.

If the titular 'revenge' goes off, people will know not to mess with you... but you are still a mortal with no real power, that is the Playbook, this need not limit your ability to play the character, even if they are scared.
Delirium says:
... I don't know if Benji is important and powerful enough ...
Some people tried to elevate him to higher Status, but he did not bite. He is currently still a nobody, like you.
He could physically protect you, but you may be adding his enemies to your own.
Delirium says:
... people would at least hesitate before thinking about draining her dry would alleviate some of her concerns. ...
Yet, even a uncontrolled neophyte like Tara did not drain you dry... in fact she does not think she did you any harm at all, what are a few little scar, in the grand scheme of things.
Aug 16, 2025 6:48 am
vagueGM says:
she feels'? Or you feel? We need to deal with those problems in different ways.
She feels. If literally every investigation puts her in mortal danger, and she ends up being hurt and hospitalised, she would have to be insane to continue, especially since she didn't manage to achieve anything. Emma isn't insane.

It's hard for me to get out of a charchter's headspace like that and just allow her to continue like that against her own common sense.

Emma is truly fascinated by the supernatural world and wants to be a part of it, but, you know, she has to be alive to do that...

She will pay Titanias a visit first, and follow up on Pers. Then either she finds a new powerful patron to offer her some protection, or she might be forced to call it quits. There is maybe a third possibility, of trying to secure some power of her own. That is why I wanted her to be at least magically gifted, so there would be either parties interested in recurring and training her, and there would be some 'value' to her, or she actually becomes a bonafide witch.
Aug 16, 2025 6:56 am
vagueGM says:
You walked right into the middle of a vampire feeding party —even after seeing the dead people— and expected to be 'safe'?
As a player, no, I didn't, and I think the consequences were well deserved and very fitting. Emma, however, has been able to escape fallout for her actions, and she DID expect to just be able to walk out of there unscathed, same as she always had. It only just drawnning on her how foolish her actions have been, and she has to rethink if it's all worth it.
Aug 16, 2025 5:13 pm
How about, she is put into a transport van with another patient to be taken to an asylum, and that person seems clearly unnatural and knows things. Wentworth discretely intervenes with a paperwork delay and the deranged angel clues Persephone in on the fact that Wentworth is planning to "go independent" (so, not a coup, but still something he must keep secret and could use Persephone’s help with).

Meanwhile, Circe calls Emma and then she is informed that Persephone has disappeared from a locked, sealed transit van! Benji arrives and comforts Circe. Emma reacts how she sees fit.
Aug 16, 2025 10:51 pm
I saw this image and thought, yep, that's them!
[ +- ] Persephone and Circe having coffee
Aug 16, 2025 10:52 pm
And I assume Circe's call with Benji will wrap up after another post, maybe, at which time she will try Emma again.
Aug 18, 2025 2:47 am
Drgwen says:
... transport van ... with another patient ... unnatural and knows things. ... Wentworth ... a paperwork delay ... planning to "go independent" (... could use Persephone’s help with). ...
All this is fine. We can shape the Wentworth plan however you like and deal with the consequences.
Drgwen says:
... Meanwhile, Circe ... is informed that Persephone has disappeared from a locked, sealed transit van! ...
My worry is about Circe and what comes after. Your disappearing while in transit is not something she can ignore and she will address it... probably in much the same way Henry did when people disappeared last week, by involving the police...

Do you want to go that route? We can, if you want to. My proposal of having her 'see' you vanish, at least puts her on the same wavelength as everyone else, this is 'proof' that you are not just crazy. Benji can come and comfort her... (unrested and still hurt and hungry?)

The hospital have had to deal with this sort of 'crazy person' before, so getting the paperwork and the case cleared up and dropped (lost, forgotten, ...?) is no problem.
Aug 18, 2025 2:55 am
Good point. Hmm ok let’s just have the disappearance occur, then, right as Circe is talking to her. Persephone is summoned to Wentworth, and Circe is stunned. Then Benji arrives to provide support, but also some context and verification? If Persephone ends up meeting someone from "the other team" at some point, then cool. I won’t try to shoe horn it in here.
Aug 18, 2025 3:02 am
Drgwen says:
... let’s just have the disappearance occur, then, right as Circe is talking to her. ...
Maybe as she turns away to speak to Emma? Turns back and you are 'gone'?
Drgwen says:
... If Persephone ends up meeting someone from "the other team" at some point, then cool. I won’t try to shoe horn it in here. ...
Do you want 'another team'? You could just find the information you need while dealing with Wentworth? You can always seek out another team as a result, if you want.

Do we want this to be a surprise to Wentworth as well? That could give you a few moments to search his office with him away? Or do you want Wentworth to be the one who made this happen? You can still get a moment at some point, this question is about Wentworth's agency in this.
Aug 18, 2025 3:07 am
Yes when she is talking to Emma is perfect!

And by "other team" I meant an angel. One of my ideas was that she meet another patient who has some connection to angels, as a foreshadowing of her going that way when she switches playbooks. But let’s leave it for later. For now it’s just Wentworth.
Aug 18, 2025 3:16 am
Drgwen says:
... by "other team" I meant an angel. ...
Yes. I am saying we can do that if you want to, but we can also do it later if we don't want to commit to that course of action right now as part of the asylum escape.
Aug 18, 2025 3:21 am
Yeah let’s do it later. No need to complicate this further!
Aug 19, 2025 1:37 pm
If Benji wants to swoop in to save the day, now would be good?
Aug 20, 2025 4:41 am
@Delirium: What is Emma's plan? Is she going to take a rest for a few days and regain her strength so she operate alone; talk to her husband; or is she going to prepare for going out soon, possibly with the needed aid of her father in law?

When you do 'go out' where to first? Titanias? Or back to 'Elliot's' once your mind clears enough for you to think that you are pretty sure you had your purse in the car, but not when the orderly wheeled you into the hospital.
Aug 20, 2025 4:43 am
@Drgwen: Do you want to finish up with 'The Education of Circe', or should we set the scene with Persephone's new situation and run them concurrently? Up to you.

The nurse [ref] obviously was there when Persephone was strapped in, so she is working from her own memory.
What is the situation with the hospital? Is there no record of Persephone? Do the computers show she was officially 'released'? Has the doctor who was attending to her been 'reassigned' to another area? Or are they now looking for a 'dangerous psych patient' (who the cops already have on their radar from an indecent at the hotel and the luggage that was never picked up)?
Aug 20, 2025 5:03 am
Emma will go visit Titanias as soon as possible, hoping she could heal her. She wouldn't want to spend the next few days in bed. She will try to get Charles to take her, back and forth.
Aug 20, 2025 2:07 pm
vagueGM says:
@Drgwen: Do you want to finish up with 'The Education of Circe', or should we set the scene with Persephone's new situation and run them concurrently? Up to you.
Both please! I figure Benji and Circe can chat and we can leave Persephone to recover for a moment. Let me know if the way I wrote that scene works for you. I left it open what exactly Wentworth will ask of her.
Aug 20, 2025 2:48 pm
Drgwen says:
... Let me know if the way I wrote that scene works for you. I left it open what exactly Wentworth will ask of her.
We can work with that. :)
Aug 21, 2025 4:51 am
It seems like Circe may need some 'proof' from Benji [ref]

What are we thinking about doing?

(Biting her might work... no, nevermind, I did not say that, that was just the Hunger speaking...:).
Aug 21, 2025 5:43 am
For starters, Benji is planning to ask her to check his pulse. If that is not sufficient, he might show her his fangs or ‘vampiric strength’. It would be convenient if there were a silver mirror around so that he could show her his lack of reflection, but that seems unlikely…
Aug 21, 2025 5:52 am
oopsylon says:
... check his pulse. ... show her his fangs or ‘vampiric strength’. ... a silver mirror around so that he could show her his lack of reflection, but that seems unlikely…
Those are good options.

I wonder if Circe would have any clue about finding a pulse?
How obvious are your fangs?

Do we want to have to roll for vampiric strength or do we assume it works? There is no real 'risk' unless we want to make it so (the risk being Circe's reaction?), and this 'good deed' should not bring Corruption, surely?

This is London, it should also be possible to find an antique shop and seek out an old mirror.

@Drgwen: We can go with whatever you feel is appropriate for the NPC.
Aug 21, 2025 6:07 am
vagueGM says:
How obvious are your fangs?
Pretty obvious, I think, to anyone who’s paying attention. Maybe like twice the length of a normal human canine and very pointy
vagueGM says:
Do we want to have to roll for vampiric strength or do we assume it works? There is no real 'risk' unless we want to make it so (the risk being Circe's reaction?), and this 'good deed' should not bring Corruption, surely?
I don’t think it would make sense to roll as, like you said, it doesn’t really make sense to get corruption from it
Aug 21, 2025 6:16 am
oopsylon says:
... I don’t think it would make sense to roll as, like you said, it doesn’t really make sense to get corruption from it
Cool, you are welcome to just play it out.

If we want to add an element of risk of her not being convinced, we can roll without corruption.
Aug 21, 2025 6:44 am
vagueGM says:
oopsylon says:
... check his pulse. ... show her his fangs or ‘vampiric strength’. ... a silver mirror around so that he could show her his lack of reflection, but that seems unlikely…
Those are good options.

I wonder if Circe would have any clue about finding a pulse?
@Drgwen: We can go with whatever you feel is appropriate for the NPC.
I think Circe would be able to find a pulse normally. And sure, some strength or speed demonstration too!
Aug 22, 2025 12:17 am
Drgwen says:
OOC:
Circe hasn’t heard about any of this yet!
She definitely has! She told Benji about it on the phone earlier. She obviously didn't take it seriously then though, so maybe she's just processing it now?
Aug 22, 2025 12:24 am
Oh yes you’re right, I forgot she said that in the phone. The funny thing is, I don’t recall Persephone telling Circe!

But sure. Let’s say she’s just processing it now, like she so entirely dismissed it earlier than she never even considered it could be true, even now
Aug 22, 2025 4:21 am
@vagueGM I thought I'd throw in a wrinkle with that emotion suppressing tattoo. It's demon prozac!
Aug 22, 2025 5:33 am
Drgwen says:
I thought I'd throw in a wrinkle with that emotion suppressing tattoo. It's demon prozac!
[ref] that's creepy.

One wonders if one needs to check Circe for such forced-calming as well, her freaking out and causing a fuss can't be good for business...

Wentworth did not mention it, so we will need to see if he covered for you with your Dark Patron. Else you could end up in trouble for blabbing about the supernatural to people who are not equipped to deal with it.
Aug 22, 2025 5:37 am
vagueGM says:
Drgwen says:
I thought I'd throw in a wrinkle with that emotion suppressing tattoo. It's demon prozac!
[ref] that's creepy.

One wonders if one needs to check Circe for such forced-calming as well, her freaking out and causing a fuss can't be good for business...

Wentworth did not mention it, so we will need to see if he covered for you with your Dark Patron. Else you could end up in trouble for blabbing about the supernatural to people who are not equipped to deal with it.
Hmm, so I don't think Wentworth particularly cares about Circe or blabbing; I think he only wants Persephone to be a predictable asset he can employ like a tool when needed. My plan is for the emotion dulling to be temporary; I also wanted to show that Wentworth would operate differently than her Patron. Whereas her Patron uses manipulation, secrecy, and so on to pursue goals, Wentworth would take a much more direct and invasive approach.
Aug 22, 2025 5:42 am
Drgwen says:
... I don't think Wentworth particularly cares about Circe or blabbing; ...
Fair enough.
Drgwen says:
... show that Wentworth would operate differently than her Patron. ...
Could be, though we still have to honour the mechanics of how the Dark Patron works, acting against their ways could get you into trouble... but possibly this is part of Wentworth's plan? To use you as a scapegoat if it comes to it? We shall see.
Drgwen says:
... emotion dulling to be temporary ...
Yes, I can already see how it could be an issue tonight, when Viv does not find your new, flat aspect as appealing...
Aug 22, 2025 5:46 am
Exactly. I was thinking maybe Circe sees the mark and tries to remove it or something?

I'm happy to hand over the reins to you at this point; I was feeling like I wanted to create some stuff and spend some time characterizing Circe a bit more, but I'm happy to follow your lead.
Aug 22, 2025 5:49 am
Drgwen says:
... I'm happy to hand over the reins ...
It can be weird to play two characters interacting with each other in a scene, so I may pilot Circe a bit more when you all get to the condo, but we can share the NPCs, and what you did with Circe was great, feel free to continue as appropriate.
Aug 22, 2025 5:50 am
Thanks! Sounds good. But for now, sleep.
Aug 22, 2025 8:34 pm
@vagueGM Would you like to write Circe's reply to Persephone's account? or shall I? I'm curious to see how you'd have her react, certainly, but happy to come up with something if you don't want to. I don't have anything specific in mind currently, other than she will ultimately accept the truth and offer to assist Persephone.
Aug 26, 2025 7:33 pm
@vagueGM - I don't remember if ended up saying which Advance I'll end up taking, so just in case, it's going to be 'Potent'.
Are there any Moves that can't be picked? Can i choose 'Eternal Hunger', for instance, from the Vamp's playbook? Or 'More Lives to Live' from the Immortal Playbook?
Aug 26, 2025 8:47 pm
Delirium says:
... 'Potent' ...
Yes, I saw that.
Delirium says:
... Are there any Moves that can't be picked? ...
You can't take anything that is tied to another Feature, (like The Devil Inside from the Tainted, since you don't have a Demon Form for it to trigger).
Delirium says:
... Can i choose 'Eternal Hunger', for instance, from the Vamp's playbook? ...
Two points:

First, it is good manners to ask the player playing that Playbook before taking Moves from their Playbook. If it is a core feature of the Playbook, ask twice. :)

Second, if you can make it make sense in the fiction, then taking that would be allowed, but that can be hard with such Moves. Eternal Hunger implies all sorts of physiological changes, but, by the rules, it can be taken.
Delirium says:
... Or 'More Lives to Live' from the Immortal Playbook? ...
I can't comment on that one, I have not looked at it. If it is important I can take a look. Else apply the above treatment to the Move. It must be a 'Move', though, listed under the Playbook Moves section.
Aug 27, 2025 4:01 am
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I was actually interested in picking 'Eternal Hunger', I was only using it as an example for a core feature from another playbook that would require some heavy narrative justification. It's sorta like becoming an actual vampire, but still staying in the Aware playbook (maybe because Emma is still more focused on her Relationships?). I wasn't even sure this was possible!
Of course, I have no intention to encroach on anyone's role.

'More Lives to Live' is basically the core Immortal's Move, for coming back from the dead.
Anyways, it is not really relevant for now. Just curious ;)
Aug 27, 2025 10:01 am
Delirium says:
... only using it as an example for a core feature from another playbook that would require some heavy narrative justification. ...
Understood. I used it thusly too. :)

As you say, it would require a heavy justification in the narrative, and that vampire core Move makes you some sort of monster that feeds off others to stay alive, it is not just the healing, it is also the driving Hunger, so you are not exactly human anymore. Not sure how this would be different to being a vampire, but it could make you a vampire with Relationships? You would be a vampire using the Aware playbook, it may not hold and you may end up slipping into full vampire over time, losing those relationships and gaining corruption... but this is all narrative, in-fiction stuff, and not addressed by the mechanics.

You can (hypothetically) do it, it will cost you.
Delirium says:
... 'More Lives to Live' is basically the core Immortal's Move, for coming back from the dead. ...
That looks pretty easy to take, but, as with Persephone's experience, dying and coming back will change you, I am not sure how long you could reasonably stay The Aware once that starts happening, so it may be more reasonable to change to that Playbook, or need to do so at some point? Maybe only a century from now, but the game's timeframe will dictate how much it affects you, how often you die and come back will also affect you. Mechanically the Move changes you, too.

By the rules you are allowed to take those core Moves, they are 'Moves in another Playbook'.
Taking a Move from a Playbook in play comes with a conversation with the player playing them.
Taking a Move from Playbook that is not in the book comes with a conversation about whether that playbooks is part of the game. Assume they are not unless the GM says they are.
The GM might also 'limit the field', only allowing certain Playbooks. This is common practice when the GM wants to shape the game. We ended up with soft restrictions on The Fae and The Wolf, but only because they got entwined in the story due to initial player choices.
Aug 27, 2025 10:32 am
I’m mainly exploring options right now. Like I said, I enjoy playing the Aware playbook too much to change, but it feels like the narrative would force me too, only because I can’t picture Emma willing to jeopardize her life like that, time after time. She would seek some way to protect herself (either from a patron, or acquiring some power of her own), or else she would just 'retire' .

I would have liked to see her publish her book(s) and become world renowned as an author (which would justify a higher status), maybe start a new club/faction of curious busy-bees, who collect/trade in supernatural knowledge – all before transitioning to a different playbook.

The Immortal is one of the playbooks I am oscillating on, because it doesn’t have obvious supernatural powers other than being able to cheat death, and it comes with its own baked-in faction, so it sorta fits. Then again, maybe a more extreme change would be more suitable, or more fun…

Will see which way it goes, eventually
Aug 27, 2025 3:11 pm
Delirium says:
... or else she would just 'retire' .
...
If they let you... :)
Aug 29, 2025 11:31 am
@Drgwen: I assume we are saying your 6 means you do not know who Elliot is?

When Benji awakes he can tell you, else Henry can give you his view on the subject.
Aug 29, 2025 11:58 am
Delirium says:
(in RP) ... She was determined to fight back, clenching her jaw to keep herself awake
It is completely up to you if you stay awake or sleep. I don't have anything planned, it just seemed like the logical next step. :)

No need to roll unless you want to.

If you sleep, I will ask you what you dream... it could be important... or, if we want, you can dream tonight for simial effect... I did not know this until I wrote it right now, so don't read too much into it. :)
Aug 29, 2025 12:10 pm
I think Emma would be too nervous to fall asleep; she would be too worried about what they might do to her. We can keep the dream for later that evening.
Aug 29, 2025 5:50 pm
vagueGM says:
@Drgwen: I assume we are saying your 6 means you do not know who Elliot is?

When Benji awakes he can tell you, else Henry can give you his view on the subject.
Yes, that makes sense.
Sep 1, 2025 1:20 pm
Drgwen says:
(in RP) "... if someone comes to the door with a delivery, it is for Benji."
How do we think Wentorth will feel about 'being given instructions' to acquire out of the ordinary victuals? [ref].

One assumes, if he does provide, it will cost you, you will owe him a Debt... and Benji will then Owe you a Debt... and so the wheel turns...
Sep 1, 2025 5:17 pm
vagueGM says:
Drgwen says:
(in RP) "... if someone comes to the door with a delivery, it is for Benji."
How do we think Wentorth will feel about 'being given instructions' to acquire out of the ordinary victuals? [ref].

One assumes, if he does provide, it will cost you, you will owe him a Debt... and Benji will then Owe you a Debt... and so the wheel turns...
works for me! Wentworth already owns me in the fiction, and simply giving him an order felt like what she would do with her new, cold affect. As for Benji, well, if @oopsylon is ok with that , then I am too!
Sep 1, 2025 9:30 pm
It’s fine with me!

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