Revenge? (OOC)

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Aug 15, 2025 5:27 pm
Delirium says:
Sorry, it was a poor choice of words. I should have used 'tempt', rather than 'seduce'. When Pers first revealed her nature to Emma, she told her that's what her job entails; convincing people to sign away their souls, in the same way she was convinced
Yes, and Persephone immediately and unequivocally lamented/bemoaned that situation, expressed a strong urge to escape it, and even asked for help doing so. I don't want to spend the time tracking down the posts as proof, but, again, I think you are responding to things Emma would not know. The only times Emma and Persephone discussed Persephone's contract situation, it was all about Persephone wanting to get out of it!!

I also find it strange that Emma seems perfectly comfortable consorting with vampires -- including "not nice" ones -- but finds Persephone so morally repugnant. Emma seemed incredibly empathetic toward Chablis, but seems incredibly cold toward Persephone. I don't get it.
Aug 15, 2025 5:48 pm
Ok. I think I can see your point; Pers did want out of her contract. And Emma was willing to help her, prompto. There wasn't any talk about Pers continuing her work for her patron, so Maybe I am letting OOC info taint Emma's perception.

Taking a step back I think it is more likely that I did.

As for Chablis; yes, Emma was willing to help her, just like she was willing to help Pers, and Sarah, because she felt sorry for all three. That help never extended to any/all vampires, however. Emma wants to track down Eliot not because she is empathic towards him, but because he could reign in the other vampires.
Aug 15, 2025 10:18 pm
I think this discussion is mostly resolved?

  • Persephone wants to get out of her contract and does not want to do this to people, especially not Viv.
  • Persephone currently has no way to get out, and has to do the Job.
  • Persephone believes she can get out of the contract... so she is not dooming others to eternity, they can get out as well, if they want to.
  • Emma does not approve.
    • Many do not approve of Emma's choices, either.
  • Emma does not know all the details.
  • Emma does know that Persephone wants out. So we have a way forward.
  • We don't need to be friends, so long as we can work together.
Aug 15, 2025 10:19 pm
Delirium says:
... This is why I suggested I was the one who might need to make the change, rather than you.
If you want to change your character, we can talk about it. It might be a bit too disruptive to the game at this fragile stage, though, and I worry it will bring its own set of similar difficulties.

Did you have thoughts about what you might choose?
Did you have thoughts about what happens to Emma, I am afraid she will end up 'returning as a Threat' if she does not have a player to guide her out of her self-destructive spiral.

I think we are coming to the end. The faerie problem is coming to a head and we will need to 'deal with it' and then may take a break ('end of season' or 'end of show'). And Emma is a big part of that (everyone wants a part of The Aware).
Aug 15, 2025 10:24 pm
@Drgwen: Let's find a way to get Persephone some traction on her quest to get free.

Getting hold of your Contract might be hard to play with, once you have it you might end up stuck in the legalese of the reams of paper, looking for a loophole. Do we want to go that route? I don't know what is in your Contract, shaping and defining the Dark Patron is up to the player, so I can not give it to you, but if you think you can make having it fun we can have you find it, no problem.

Another option is for a third party to offer you an out? If you want 'salvation' and are seriously thinking about transitioning to The Angel, then that could be 'divine intervention'; else it could be some other power wanting you for their own ends.

Another option could be to show that you are actually 'working towards the greater good'? I figured your Dark Patron was likely against the invasion of the Faeries? This could put you on the same side as the others. We can link Viv to that cause (her purpose is clearly not the same as yours, she could not do your Job).

Another, though related, option could see us aligning your Dark Patron with the Faeries, so your 'get out' help comes from someone working against them both?

Yet another option might be us aligning with the Faeries (who says they 'the bad guys'?) and working to bring them into the world? This could break your Dark Patron's hold?

This is mainly about Persephone and her Contract, but @oopsylon and @Delirium should weigh in on the 'Faeries' direction.
Aug 15, 2025 11:03 pm
OK I want to move forward with things that are true to the characters we've established, without any of us having to twist or change our visions. I want to honor what has occurred in the fiction. And I don't want to "cheap" out just to avoid a stumbling block. So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp.

So here's my first idea. Persephone gets committed to a psych ward today. Inside, she meets someone, someone who claims to talk to God. They are insane, but... well, they know things. Things they shouldn't, or can't. They look at Persephone and immediately know about their demonic taint, for example. This person provides Persephone some dirt on Wentworth and her Patron that she can use as leverage; she can use it to alter the Jobs enough to make them minimally morally acceptable. Indeed, she might even be able to steer her Patron's interests toward helping them with the faerie issue! At the end of this arc, perhaps Persephone is able to buy off her debt somehow, and she switches to the Angel playbook. Perhaps the person in the ward with her was an Angel too.

Second idea. They commit her, but Wentworth intervenes discretely; her American healthy insurance company is insisting she be "independently evaluated". There is a mix up in transit and she "escapes." Inadvertently she learns that Wentworth is planning a coup. She agrees to keep his secret and help him, in exchange, eventually, for her freedom. At the end, she retains her demonic nature, but she is her own boss, so to speak! She switches to the Imp playbook.

Thoughts?
Aug 16, 2025 5:05 am
vagueGM says:
If you want to change your character, we can talk about it.
I would prefere not too, but it sorta going in that direction, for IC reasons.

Emma has suffered too many setbacks, and it’s left her questioning everything. So far, she hasn’t really managed to investigate much, and without being able to demonstrate some worth she gets a sense that no one in the supernatural community takes her seriously, or really wants anything to do with her. What she did accomplish was nearly getting herself sacrificed, badly hurt (with the possibility of being scarred for life, which is especially unsettling since her appearance is such a core part of her identity), and on top of it, unable to properly care for her sick husband.

She's ready to throw in the towel, and I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this. She may get pulled into dealing with certain issues against her will (she still owes a few favor) but for now she really feels like the best option is to wrap things up as quickly as possible.
Aug 16, 2025 5:53 am
Drgwen says:
So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp.
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Both those ideas are really cool! If you want Circe to still have concrete evidence that Persephone was telling the truth, I could have Benji go to the hospital to ‘rescue’ Persephone (too late) and, if you like, run into Circe and convince her that Persephone is not delusional by proving that he’s a vampire or something like that? Completely up to you, of course, but I just thought I’d throw the idea out there!
Aug 16, 2025 5:55 am
Delirium says:
She's ready to throw in the towel, and I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this.
Is there anything Benji could do to help?
Aug 16, 2025 6:21 am
oopsylon says:
Is there anything Benji could do to help?
That's very kind of you to ask. I think Emma's main concern right now is safety. People are just too eager and willing to hurt her, because she's a nobody. The Ivy Club, for instance, knew she was in Eliot's orbit, but they didn't hesitate to sacrifice her because he's gone, and there wouldn't be any repercussions.

I would assume violence is rarely used as a matter of course to settle disputes, because no one knows who owes who what debts, or who you are likely to upset by killing someone (not that it is ever off the table, but one would at least need to consider any possible consequences). That same courtesy isn't extended to her. That is why she was so concerned when Eliot disappeared, and was trying her best to find him.

I don't know if Benji is important and powerful enough, but taking her under his protection so people would at least hesitate before thinking about draining her dry would alleviate some of her concerns. It's not something I would ask of another player, however, and I don't think Thier friendship is THAT strong at this point to justify it IC.
Aug 16, 2025 6:23 am
Drgwen says:
... I don't want to "cheap" out just to avoid a stumbling block. ...
If the stumbling block is too big to get over, we can move it aside, they are meant to enhance the story not derail it.
Drgwen says:
... So I have two ideas: she goes Angel, or she goes Imp. ...
We could probably go with either of your proposed scenarios and avoid needing to commit to a Playbook change at this time. Either could still lead to a place where both those Playbooks are viable changes.
Drgwen says:
... dirt on Wentworth and her Patron that she can use as leverage; ...
Can do.
Drgwen says:
... use it to alter the Jobs enough to make them minimally morally acceptable. ...
That works. We can definitely use the fiction to change the Jobs on your sheet, though the objectionable one is also sorta central to Persephone's character. They were recruited because of how well suited they were to enticing people in... We would need to address this change, but finding that they can not do that Job —without suffering a psychotic break— may be enough to justify it? Falling for Viv and forcing a change is also good story.

@Delirium: Would "I have altered the deal, now all I have to do is..." be enough for Emma?

You can also remove one of your Jobs via an Advance, we can ignore the 'only after five advances' since PbP makes that a long way away. We could make a quest that calls for all your 'friends' (and I use that term loosely) and sends you to all the Circles to get you (and those who help you) the needed Advance. This may sidetrack the characters from the objective of dealing with the weather, but that is fine.
Drgwen says:
... Indeed, she might even be able to steer her Patron's interests toward helping them with the faerie issue! ...
You think that is feasible? I think it is more likely they are already tackling that issue, and Viv is part of it. Why else were you sent to London at this time?
Drgwen says:
... perhaps Persephone is able to buy off her debt somehow ...
Buy off or fight off, yes, this is an option.
Drgwen says:
... Inadvertently she learns that Wentworth is planning a coup. ...
Sounds fun.

Aside from the complications with actually having a 'written contract', I was thinking that, however Wentworth got you out, it left you in a place where you could sneak a peak (possibly not getting all the piles of text so you only get a clue). But if you would prefer to find leverage on Wentworth, then that is cool too.

This does mean that a 'coup' is possible... which might sorta undermine your Dark Patron... but I can easily make that work.
Drgwen says:
... She agrees to keep his secret and help him ...
That sounds quite appropriate. And we will see how much this 'agreement' contains 'help' rather than sabotage. :)

Do you have a preference for how you get out? Remember that whatever happens will have knock-on effects. Don't base your decision on potential Playbook changes, let's play out this story and see how it goes.

How do you want this to affect Circe?
Maybe Wentworth 'teleports' you out, leaving an empty bed, and Circe sees that something happened but can't explain it... and the hospital don't have a record of you, so they don't come looking, and your aren't 'on the lamb'?

If you do the committed and meet 'an angel' or the 'lost in transit' then that leaves Circe in a pickle, worrying about you. We can do that, but it is complicated and will get in the way of your other plans.

Up to you.
Aug 16, 2025 6:27 am
Delirium says:
... I would prefere not too ...
Then let's try avoid changing characters.
Delirium says:
... but it sorta going in that direction, for IC reasons. ...
Those are all fixable. They may just require a little flexibility.
Delirium says:
... she gets a sense that no one in the supernatural community takes her seriously ...
Yet everyone seems to want a piece of The Aware. This is not a Playbook that the supernatural world takes seriously, you have no 'power' other than the value of being you.
Delirium says:
... or really wants anything to do with her. ...
I am sorry you got that impression. That was not the intention. But the sheer fact that the high and mighties even talk to you shows they do want you (even if just as a pawn).

I thought we made that clear (even to Emma) while speaking to Federico. Emma can do things they can't, there are places where they can not act.
Delirium says:
... nearly getting herself sacrificed ...
See? They do want you. :)
Delirium says:
... being scarred for life, which is especially unsettling since her appearance is such a core part of her identity ...
That can be fixed. If you are willing to take a chance on Titanias. Your name was approved, and even your dubious credit check did not put them off... surely that alone should interest Emma?
Delirium says:
... suffered too many setbacks ... hasn’t really managed to investigate much ...
To be clear, OOC: The drive you stole from Elliot is not lost. You left a handbag full of money in the car of the security guard, and he did not want to leave it with the hospital, he waited around for as long as he could but you did not indicate a desire to see 'your boyfriend' so they did not let him in, then you went to surgery and they sent him away...

You could try following up on that.
Delirium says:
... I honestly don't know how she can bounce back from all of this. ...
I am sorry you feel that way. How can we help. Ultimately it is up to you, but Emma has many options. Just remember the scale she operates at, she is a mortal with no power, those with power have hinted that this gives her freedoms they lack, everyone you have dealt with wants you on their side (over those you actively wronged, even if you deny it).
Delirium says:
... she really feels like the best option is to wrap things up ...
'she feels'? Or you feel? We need to deal with those problems in different ways.
Delirium says:
... She may get pulled into dealing with certain issues against her will (she still owes a few favor) ...
If it is about Emma feeling like she does not know where to go next, we can pull her into something.
Aug 16, 2025 6:35 am
Delirium says:
I think Emma's main concern right now is safety…
I think if Emma voiced these concerns to Benji in-fiction, he would do whatever he could to help— whether that means ‘taking her under his protection’ or helping her track down Elliot. I recently took the Bloodhound move which could be very helpful in regard to the latter, I think?
Aug 16, 2025 6:39 am
Delirium says:
... I think Emma's main concern right now is safety. ...
That could be a problem. You are a low Status Mortal, putting yourself in dangerous situation is dangerous. You walked right into the middle of a vampire feeding party —even after seeing the dead people— and expected to be 'safe'?

Given that you even got out at all shows that people are not inclined to just sacrifice you... sorry... too soon?
Delirium says:
... The Ivy Club, for instance, ... sacrifice her because he's gone, and there wouldn't be any repercussions. ...
Yeah, but now they fear you, they don't know what you who you are, you put the fear of sod into them... Even if it was a lie.

If the titular 'revenge' goes off, people will know not to mess with you... but you are still a mortal with no real power, that is the Playbook, this need not limit your ability to play the character, even if they are scared.
Delirium says:
... I don't know if Benji is important and powerful enough ...
Some people tried to elevate him to higher Status, but he did not bite. He is currently still a nobody, like you.
He could physically protect you, but you may be adding his enemies to your own.
Delirium says:
... people would at least hesitate before thinking about draining her dry would alleviate some of her concerns. ...
Yet, even a uncontrolled neophyte like Tara did not drain you dry... in fact she does not think she did you any harm at all, what are a few little scar, in the grand scheme of things.
Aug 16, 2025 6:48 am
vagueGM says:
she feels'? Or you feel? We need to deal with those problems in different ways.
She feels. If literally every investigation puts her in mortal danger, and she ends up being hurt and hospitalised, she would have to be insane to continue, especially since she didn't manage to achieve anything. Emma isn't insane.

It's hard for me to get out of a charchter's headspace like that and just allow her to continue like that against her own common sense.

Emma is truly fascinated by the supernatural world and wants to be a part of it, but, you know, she has to be alive to do that...

She will pay Titanias a visit first, and follow up on Pers. Then either she finds a new powerful patron to offer her some protection, or she might be forced to call it quits. There is maybe a third possibility, of trying to secure some power of her own. That is why I wanted her to be at least magically gifted, so there would be either parties interested in recurring and training her, and there would be some 'value' to her, or she actually becomes a bonafide witch.
Aug 16, 2025 6:56 am
vagueGM says:
You walked right into the middle of a vampire feeding party —even after seeing the dead people— and expected to be 'safe'?
As a player, no, I didn't, and I think the consequences were well deserved and very fitting. Emma, however, has been able to escape fallout for her actions, and she DID expect to just be able to walk out of there unscathed, same as she always had. It only just drawnning on her how foolish her actions have been, and she has to rethink if it's all worth it.
Aug 16, 2025 5:13 pm
How about, she is put into a transport van with another patient to be taken to an asylum, and that person seems clearly unnatural and knows things. Wentworth discretely intervenes with a paperwork delay and the deranged angel clues Persephone in on the fact that Wentworth is planning to "go independent" (so, not a coup, but still something he must keep secret and could use Persephone’s help with).

Meanwhile, Circe calls Emma and then she is informed that Persephone has disappeared from a locked, sealed transit van! Benji arrives and comforts Circe. Emma reacts how she sees fit.
Aug 16, 2025 10:51 pm
I saw this image and thought, yep, that's them!
[ +- ] Persephone and Circe having coffee
Aug 16, 2025 10:52 pm
And I assume Circe's call with Benji will wrap up after another post, maybe, at which time she will try Emma again.
Aug 18, 2025 2:47 am
Drgwen says:
... transport van ... with another patient ... unnatural and knows things. ... Wentworth ... a paperwork delay ... planning to "go independent" (... could use Persephone’s help with). ...
All this is fine. We can shape the Wentworth plan however you like and deal with the consequences.
Drgwen says:
... Meanwhile, Circe ... is informed that Persephone has disappeared from a locked, sealed transit van! ...
My worry is about Circe and what comes after. Your disappearing while in transit is not something she can ignore and she will address it... probably in much the same way Henry did when people disappeared last week, by involving the police...

Do you want to go that route? We can, if you want to. My proposal of having her 'see' you vanish, at least puts her on the same wavelength as everyone else, this is 'proof' that you are not just crazy. Benji can come and comfort her... (unrested and still hurt and hungry?)

The hospital have had to deal with this sort of 'crazy person' before, so getting the paperwork and the case cleared up and dropped (lost, forgotten, ...?) is no problem.
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