Who let the frogs out? (OOC)

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Oct 26, 2025 11:08 am
I got nothing as well
Oct 26, 2025 11:17 am
vagueGM says:
Do you want to Owe them? If so tell us how. Else you don't know them.
Hmmm… I think it would be interesting if Benji owed them a debt. I don’t know much about Nefydd, but do you think it would make sense for them to be someone Benji’s fed on before? Benji usually only feeds on people he considers ‘friends’, so that would probably mean Benji and Nefydd are on somewhat friendly terms
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Oct 26, 2025 12:44 pm
Morphling says:
... Yeah, she wants the demon to leave. If it won't she's going to kill it and mark corruption. ...
It is bound, it can't leave without permission, and Nefydd is asking for your (group's) permission [ref] to do so.

If y'all allow it we can consider the demon gone. Nefydd is only waiting for permission so they don't get ganked for 'trying something'.
Morphling says:
... I'll roll once she's finished with that. ...
Cool. Max can't exactly communicate any new information she knows in her current —nonverbal— form, anyway, so it won't affect this scene too much. :)
Oct 26, 2025 12:46 pm
oopsylon says:
... I think it would be interesting if Benji owed them a debt. ...
Agreed.
oopsylon says:
... I don’t know much about Nefydd, ...
Sure. I have posted 'what most people know' in the RP [ref]. We can add anything Benji knows a little to fit your Debt.
oopsylon says:
... someone Benji’s fed on before? ...
Maybe? But they could have done you any array of other favours. Maybe we can come up with something interesting or unexpected?
oopsylon says:
... Benji usually only feeds on people he considers ‘friends’, so that would probably mean Benji and Nefydd are on somewhat friendly terms ...
That may be hard to fit into the scene, and we know this is not totally true (you fed on those 'hunters' the other day, and that was not friendly).

If you Owe them, and they see you —so far you may be out of view— they may well turn to you for help out of this situation, they may Cash in that Debt [ref] (• do a favor at moderate cost), and you may have to try to stop your friends from hurting them. You can always try to Refuse to Honor a Debt [ref] since you have a conflict of interest. (They are Status-0.)
Oct 26, 2025 7:21 pm
So it looks like Persephone is too busy retraumatizing herself to ask Nefydd to call off the demon. Do Benji or Emma want to do it? Because otherwise Max is going to try to finish the job. Just waiting to see if anyone's going to make the call at this point.
Oct 26, 2025 7:49 pm
I understand that Persephone will not be able to convince this person to "betray" their mentor and friend. I’m not sure what to do here. For Persephone, what Choudry did was more traumatic and worse than a violent rape. IRL, if I were faced with someone defending and facilitating my rapist, I would be very upset with them. And if they won’t respond to threats of violence or sympathy for the violence done to Persephone, I’m not sure what else to do. I don’t think Persephone has anything they want?

Seriously, Persephone is feeling like her only options are more violence right now. SHE might consider killing this person, but I would rather not.

Tbh, I’m frustrated with the continued inability to use half her playbook and I’m frustrated by this NPC.

I’m also beginning to think that role-playing out her murder as a result of several bad rolls was probably a little too intense and it is warping my sense of this character to the breaking point, such that I’m having trouble imagining them doing much of anything that’s particularly rational right now. Perhaps I’m experiencing a little too much bleed from my own trauma and ptsd.
Oct 26, 2025 8:09 pm
Don't wait on Emma, @Morphling. Emma hates demons, and she won't bother asking Nefydd to call it off just so it can be spared
@Drgwen; is there anything Emma can do IC? She personally finds Nefydd (and any other cultists) to be icky as well, which is why she doesn't go out of her way to dissuade Pers from harming him.
Oct 26, 2025 8:49 pm
Morphling says:
... too busy ... to ask Nefydd to call off the demon. ...
Nefydd asked if they could do it, they don't need to be asked to. We can just assume they took Persephone's breakdown as tacit permission and have the demon be out of the scene, or Max can kill it if you want.
Oct 26, 2025 8:50 pm
Alright in that case I'm going to write a post assuming the demon went back to demonland.
Oct 26, 2025 8:51 pm
@oopsylon: We may want to hold of on Benji Owing a Debt till we know how this is going to be resolved. Or, maybe, Benji stays out of sight so they don't appeal to him for help against his friends.
Oct 26, 2025 8:53 pm
@Drgwen: While it is hard to see them doing a complete 180 and turning on their friend from one conversation, if you want to show them how you are better than Chaudry maybe they will come around in time (maybe in time for the trip downstairs?)

This does not exactly help you in the current scene —except to provide a direction to steer the character in?— but it might be enough for the players to know that some good was done?

They showed a look of pity when you said that you 'serve a demon', they think of demons of things that serve them. Maybe they will be useful in your learning enough to get out of your contract, but that depends on what happens here.

However, you did start this with violence and threats, if your team were to gang up on Nefydd and deliver more threats you might be able to force them to open the portal for you, or show you where Chaudry is right now? But you might not want to go down till you are re-empowered?
They are not meant to be a nice person or anything, but your obvious trauma may bring the reality of what 'a sacrifice' actually means crashing down on them? 'It is all fun and games till someone looses a life...'

They have pretty much admitted they knew Chaudry was planning on sacrificing someone and did do it that night, so it is not like they don't know they are working for 'the bad guys'... but this is Urban Shadows, everyone is a bad guy.

If you did choose to kill them, it would be understandable.
However: Another option would be to 'let them go'... then both Benji and/or Max could use Bloodhound to track them to where Chaudry is right now, above ground and possible exposed (on a 10+). You have scared them enough, and also given them enough interesting information, that they will want to talk to Chaudry as soon as possible.

Persephone may be able to get her Mojo back while that is happening, or you could track Chaudry down and come back when you are ready?
Oct 26, 2025 9:36 pm
vagueGM says:
...we know this is not totally true (you fed on those 'hunters' the other day, and that was not friendly).
I did say usually, but yeah Nefydd could be someone Benji bit during a lapse in self-control like Frank and Ernie, or something else entirely
vagueGM says:
If you Owe them, and they see you —so far you may be out of view— they may well turn to you for help out of this situation, they may Cash in that Debt [ref] (• do a favor at moderate cost), and you may have to try to stop your friends from hurting them.
That’s what I had in mind when I suggested that Benji could owe them a Debt, but we can just say that Benji doesn’t know them if we think that complicates the scene too much
Oct 26, 2025 9:46 pm
vagueGM says:
While it is hard to see them doing a complete 180
Persephone simply won’t have the patience or desire to "show them how she’s better than Choudry". They were Ok with their buddy murdering an innocent: she won’t waste her time trying to "save/convert" them.
vagueGM says:
Maybe they will be useful in your learning enough to get out of your contract
Ok that’s interesting. And possible. But she won’t be playing nice to get it. She can’t. I can’t. I can’t be friendly to my abuser or his enablers, nor can Persephone.
vagueGM says:
if your team were to gang up on Nefydd and deliver more threats you might be able to force them to open the portal for you, or show you where Chaudry is right now?
This is where Persephone’s head is right now 100%.
vagueGM says:
Another option would be to 'let them go'... then both Benji and/or Max could use Bloodhound to track them to where Chaudry is right now, above ground and possible exposed (on a 10+). You have scared them enough, and also given them enough interesting information, that they will want to talk to Chaudry as soon as possible.
If @oopsylon or @Morphling clue Persephone in on this ability, she may be up for it!
vagueGM says:
…may be able to get her Mojo back while that is happening, or you could track Chaudry down and come back when you are ready?
I would think that her patron would be hostile to mortals summoning demons and, so, I would think that her ending their little Cabal would be 100% in my patrons interest and, so he might be willing to reward her for doing so or, at least rescind her punishment?
Oct 26, 2025 9:54 pm
Drgwen says:
If @oopsylon or @Morphling clue Persephone in on this ability, she may be up for it!
I think Persephone might have seen enough to infer that they can do this on her own. She saw Benji sniff out the fae before and I think he mentioned that he was tracking the hellhound through the park when they all fell through that portal together. I think Max mentioned that she was trying to track the hellhound this morning too. I could have Benji mention the idea more explicitly in RP if you like, but that might tip off Nefydd...
Oct 26, 2025 9:55 pm
Drgwen says:
... If oopsylon or Morphling clue Persephone in on this ability, she may be up for it! ...
You know they are a vampire and a werewolf, so you might just assume they can follow. Or you can give up (after delivering a beating?) and Max might follow for her own reasons because they are invading her turf?
Drgwen says:
... I would think that her ending their little Cabal would be 100% in my patrons interest ...
Seems like a tall order to achieve without having your powers back? Finishing the Job with Viv can be done while the others track down Chaudry, then you can face them in all your glory.

If you really think your Dark Patron will be enemies with demonologists (*) then you may be able to leverage your intent to tackle them to get an advance on your powers? But that would, presumably, cost you?

((*) How else can demons get a foothold in the mortal world if not for summoners?)
Oct 26, 2025 10:05 pm
vagueGM says:
You know they are a vampire and a werewolf, so you might just assume they can follow. Or you can give up (after delivering a beating?) and Max might follow for her own reasons because they are invading her turf?
Perfect.
vagueGM says:
Seems like a tall order to achieve without having your powers back? Finishing the Job with Viv can be done while the others track down Chaudry, then you can face them in all your glory.
Yes! This!
vagueGM says:
If you really think your Dark Patron will be enemies with demonologists (*) then you may be able to leverage your intent to tackle them to get an advance on your powers? But that would, presumably, cost you?

((*) How else can demons get a foothold in the mortal world if not for summoners?)
Ok I LIKE this idea!
Choudry summons a demon, but somehow I interfere just enough to disrupt the summoning so he loses control and the demon is free to (hopefully) murder him? Ha maybe she can get in touch with that demon Kal, and he can help? Maybe he will accidentally summon one of my patron’s demons, or something.
Oct 28, 2025 2:38 am
The other PCs are gonna have to pull Persephone off of this asshole who aids and abets a guy who murders women. Or he might squirm away, and then she will turn immediately to the vampire and werewolf and beg them to track him down. She must get justice revenge.
Oct 28, 2025 2:39 am
Pull him her off? Max is about to lend a hand, what's Persephone's circle? Power?
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Oct 28, 2025 2:47 am
Morphling says:
Pull him her off? Max is about to lend a hand, what's Persephone's circle? Power?
Wild
Oct 28, 2025 12:03 pm
Drgwen says:
The other PCs are gonna have to pull Persephone off of this asshole who aids and abets a guy who murders women. Or he might squirm away, and then she will turn immediately to the vampire and werewolf and beg them to track him down. She must get justice revenge.
Is anyone actually doing this 'pulling off'?
Morphling says:
Pull him her off? Max is about to lend a hand, what's Persephone's circle? Power?
An 8 on Lend a Hand [ref] turns that Turn to Violence [ref] 9 into a 10 [post].

The Harm is not optional, but the 10 gives you some control, so I assume you two are going for • you create an opportunity for an ally by 'letting them go' but with blood samples (on knuckles) to help you track them and their blood trail?

If that is the plan you both can narrate it.

Nefydd may seek medical attention along the way, before getting to Chaudry, this should give Persephone time to get her affairs in order and power-up.
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