Revenge? (OOC)

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Aug 11, 2025 8:32 pm
Make it so.
Aug 13, 2025 2:14 am
OK so Pers is having a PTSD episode, like a real one. I god-moded Circe and Henry just a bit at the end, in part because I wanted to switch to a kind of third-person perspective in the last paragraph. We are seeing Persephone entirely from the outside, as observers, there; her internal perspective is no longer available to us. If that makes sense.

iIf you would prefer I not take such a firm hand with what Circe and Henry do here, I can edit the post (!!) or post a revision. Let me know, ok @vagueGM ?

And I hope no one minds me sharing a bit of personal IRL vulnerability here, but yeah -- that's what my PTSD episodes were like, when they were bad. And that last paragraph? Total depersonalization. Thank god for therapy.
Aug 13, 2025 3:26 am
Drgwen says:
... I god-moded Circe and Henry just a bit at the end, ... If you would prefer I not take such a firm hand with what Circe and Henry do ...
No problem. Please use the NPCs as much as you need to show us your characters (without contradicting their personalities, of course, this seemed spot-on.).
Drgwen says:
... I hope no one minds me sharing ...
Thank you for that.

Maybe a 'trigger warning' on the post? But I don't know that it is needed when done with the grace and eloquence you used.
Drgwen says:
(in RP) ... uselessly looking on, uncertain of what to do. ...
I don't think either of them will have any idea how to 'fix' this.

Do they end up calling an ambulance so you end up in the 'violence against women' ward where Emma is?
Aug 13, 2025 4:09 am
vagueGm says:
Does Benji find any messages from either of you saying you are alright, or asking after his well-being?
Emma would have called and texted Benji multiple times, yes, just like she did Persephone.
Aug 13, 2025 4:17 am
Delirium says:
vagueGm says:
Does Benji find any messages from either of you saying you are alright, or asking after his well-being?
Emma would have called and texted Benji multiple times, yes, just like she did Persephone.
If you say so. ;|

I got the impression that part of your falling out was that you may have texted 'multiple times' (as in 'more than once'), but then gave up and figured "She's dead, so I may as well focus on my spa weekend, so that I am more relaxed... which is what really matters". :)
Aug 13, 2025 4:31 am
The multiple calls/texts should have happend within the span of a single day, yes.
Aug 13, 2025 2:29 pm
So, right now, Persephone cannot really do anything without access to her demon form and it may seem that I have narrated her into a corner. but I have two ideas for how to proceed.

Idea one:
Her patron returns her demon form to her. He is satisfied that, now that virtually ALL of Persephone's mortal connections have been severed, she will be more dependent on him, etc. So she transforms and runs. Maybe she does it when Circe is sleeping or not present, but Circe either glimpses it or sees video footage afterwards (which would bring a new set of issues!).

Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.

Ultimately I'd like her to get free of this and leave the hospital, but I want Circe to get enough hard evidence that Persephone might not be mentally ill to allow her to reconnect later.

Any ideas?
Aug 13, 2025 3:47 pm
Delirium says:
The multiple calls/texts should have happend within the span of a single day, yes.
I realize I might not have been clear; Emma called/texted Pers and Benji on the day she escaped, and not since. The falling out with Pers happened due to the confrontation at Emma's apartment, after she returned from the dead.
Aug 13, 2025 4:34 pm
Delirium says:
(in RP) ... and .... she didn't have any clothes. ... She was stuck here in hospital, ...
Do you want Circe, in a nearby room, to overhear you talking and come to your rescue? She still likes you, even if she is worried about what role you and your ex have in fostering her sister's delusion (she might relish the opportunity to poke around your place and see)? David knows her so her getting you clothes would not come as a surprise.

Else your mother-in-law can bring you something (something much more dowdy:) tomorrow.

Else, it might be amusing to send Benji over to get your clothes, hopefully while Evelyn in there to judge. :)

Else Kenedi is still an option, but NPCs can't drop everything to cater to our whims. :)
Aug 13, 2025 4:37 pm
Let's go either with her in-laws, or Kenedi. Emma doesn't expect Kenedi to drop everything and come to her rescue, but since Emma is spending the entire night at the hospital, she should be off work sometimes during that duration. At any rate, I hope Emma would be well enough to leave the next day?
Aug 13, 2025 4:38 pm
Drgwen says:
... So, right now, Persephone cannot really do anything without access to her demon form ...
That was meant to add to the story, not block it. We can find a way around this, we just need to decide how we want to do it.

We can scrap the whole idea if we need to, give you back your Form and have a bit reveal. But that feels like a last resort?

I am not sure your being separated from your friends and family should mean you get back your ability to prove to your friends and family you are for real and fix the separation... It seems your expert manipulator Dark Patron would understand this?

We can get Benji in, but having him cut you loose seems a little off.

You do have a Job to do, and you can't do that from the hospital bed. We can say that Viv would not respond well to such an environment, she does not need to have the 'gay is a mental disorder' argument reinforced.

As foreshadowing for the Invocation Playbook Move (whether you take it or not), you could and up being teleported out (empty restraints and hospital gown left behind, cameras showing you there ... and then not there) so you can 'get on with it'?

This would not serve as the strong evidence you want for Circe, but will be a start? You can start mending fences, and save the proof (which is, unfortunately, also 'proof that you were right!' which implies that 'they were wrong!', which is a bit negative:) for later, maybe when you get your powers back, or by some other means? This might get Circe out looking for answers and finding them on her own (which is a bit more 'positive')? Possibilities are nearly endless.

I don't want to waste all this delicious trauma. The scars scene [ref] should have weight going forward (and maybe Titianias can help you too?:)

What do you (the player) want to see happen? We can shape things to get there.
Aug 13, 2025 4:42 pm
Delirium says:
... I hope Emma would be well enough to leave the next day? ...
Maybe not completely wise to leave that soon, but you can do it, especially if you think the other surgery can fix you better.

We can arrange clothes for then.
Delirium says:
... Let's go either with her in-laws, or Kenedi. ...
Sure. Whichever you prefer.
Aug 13, 2025 4:43 pm
It's pretty boring playing from the hospital bed, so yes, let's have her leave. Can I narrate her arriving at her apartment?
Aug 13, 2025 4:45 pm
Delirium says:
... Can I narrate her arriving at her apartment?
Narrate away.
Aug 13, 2025 8:41 pm
vagueGM says:
... Persephone ... being teleported out ...
Drgwen: Or, if you want a little more direct involvement, you could risk rolling Let It Out and use your • move through or past a physical obstacle created by mortal hands ability. This carries the risk of rolling low and both dooming you to being stuck here (which we don't want) and of showing that that ability is taken from you too... or of rolling high and showing that that one, somehow, is not... which could be interesting to explore?

If you don't risk it you Patron still could, which would put them in charge and define the power-dynamic. No Debts, though, since it is only so you can do your Job that they are transporting you.

Just spitballing.
Aug 13, 2025 10:27 pm
Drgwen says:
Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.
I’m open to this, if you’re still interested in this idea, @Drgwen. I was going to have Benji realise he has messages from Persephone (who he thought was dead!) and try to call her pretty soon. (Not sure if Persephone can answer the phone right now what with being restrained but maybe Circe can answer it for her). If Persephone asks Benji to break her out of hospital, he will do it, so that is definitely an option on the table.
Aug 14, 2025 5:25 am
vagueGM says:
That was meant to add to the story, not block it. We can find a way around this, we just need to decide how we want to do it.
I want to stick to the rules as written, so to speak. I want to see her earn that back by doing the thing she doesn't want to do, namely, betray Viv. She mostly avoided real responsibility for Howard; she needs to really feel the corruption. That's the only way her Patron would restore her, I think. I also like the idea of foreshadowing the Invocation move, but that also feels a bit like a cheat.

I wrote a post with Circe reaching out to Emma and Benji. Obviously they can react to it however they like, or ignore it.

But here's an idea. Wentworth. He already has Persephone under thumb, insofar as he is her superior in the organization. but, if he does something to really put her in his Debt, then he can ask for special side favors as well. So maybe HE comes in, in demon form, and frees her?

I like this idea because (a) it lets Circe know that there is something to this demon talk. This is not just Persephone's delusion. (b) it adds an interesting complication to Persephone's life. (c) It adds some complexity to the Wentworth character. It doesn't use one of the "cheats" we mentioned above. And it doesn't require her to be bailed out by another PC.

Thoughts?
Aug 14, 2025 5:26 am
oopsylon says:
Drgwen says:
Idea two: Benji tracks Persephone down and cuts her loose and breaks her out. Perhaps Circe catches a glimpse of them doing something impossible or supernatural.
I’m open to this, if you’re still interested in this idea, @Drgwen. I was going to have Benji realise he has messages from Persephone (who he thought was dead!) and try to call her pretty soon. (Not sure if Persephone can answer the phone right now what with being restrained but maybe Circe can answer it for her). If Persephone asks Benji to break her out of hospital, he will do it, so that is definitely an option on the table.
I'm also open to this idea, but perhaps Benji calls Persephone shortly after Wentworth busts her out?
Aug 14, 2025 6:13 am
Sure! Whichever you prefer! I had Benji call Circe, but if you’d prefer to have Wentworth come to Persephone’s aid, we can just have Benji talk to Circe briefly and then call Persephone back to talk to her properly once she gets out
Aug 14, 2025 6:35 am
Drgwen says:
... I want to stick to the rules as written ...
Well, the rules don't say what it means to not be able to 'invoke their influence again'. A strict reading of the rules could be that it only applies to the Dark Bargain Move, especially since the Playbook Move Notes section mentions that it might possibly not be your Dark Patron that you call upon to sanctify these deals, leaving it open for you to have some other power (especially if you took it as an Advance Take a Move from another Playbook).

We decided that it also included your Demon Form because you failed to transform right after that failure, so testing that Let It Out Ability in the same way is not unprecedented? But that does feel a bit like it should fall under the same umbrella of 'not working'.
Drgwen says:
... I think. I also like the idea of foreshadowing the Invocation move, but that also feels a bit like a cheat. ...
I do see that point, but this too is not unprecedented. You were already —while 'powerless'— teleported out of restraints and brought home... as part of your End Move. This is actually why I thought of this solution, only afterwards did I look at the sheet and see the Moves and Abilities that could do that sort of thing.
Drgwen says:
... Wentworth. ... put her in his Debt ... So maybe HE comes in, ... and frees her? ...
Sounds great. We can do that.
Drgwen says:
... HE comes in, in demon form ... it lets Circe know that there is something to this demon talk ...
Yeah... and possibly sends her into the looney bin in your place? Wouldn't we rather she have a sightly more gradual introduction, and do so when you are around to explain it to her?

I also don't see Wentworth barging in and showing his form to the hospital. That does not exactly fit the 'subtle manipulator vibe' of your organisation.

I can see Wentworth freeing you, possibly in a way that leaves Circe with questions. If you want him to show his form to her as your proof, that may need another Debt? If you want him to bring her along for the ride when he spirits you away, that also sounds like an extra Debt?

We can work on the flavour if we agree to the premise.
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