Crystal Cave Adventure (OOC)

I did some more thinking about the whole miracle thing.
First off, I hope I'm not making things too difficult :) If so, that was not my intention.

The way I was seeing it was not as much a miracle, but more like the D&D spell "Purify Food & Drink". Since we're in a world where magic is shunned, maybe divine spells are not a thing, though. Or divine spells are miracles?

No, its fine. It is not difficult, just complicated.
That is a DnD problem. Outside of DnD that exact act is one of the most common examples of a miracle. Healing and feeding are the big ones.

DnD trivialising those and makes all sorts of playstyles/gamestyles impossible. How can one run a 'survival' game when first level spells like Goodberry can completely feed, water, and sustain ten people for a whole day (in addition to the healing benefits), and those Purify spells can make tons of anything that can be considered 'food' safe. At least with Purify, it first has to be 'food or water' --so something you would already consider drinking but was maybe a bit risky-- and it does not say it makes it any less unpleasant.
Pretty much. We probably have miracles and spirit manipulation, people like miracles.

The fact that you need to roll for it each time takes this away from the DnD system of 'guaranteed 10 fed people per day' to 'this might work if my god wills it' type miracle territory. And will need an unlikely result (maybe 5 or 6 if you want to roll the Die of Fate, 10 or 12 if you want to roll +STAT?) to work.

Unanswered petitions for miracles possibly comes with irritated gods as the downside. Getting sick from drinking the water was already happening, and is a consequence of drinking the water, not of the failed miracle.

Someone should roll this so we can see how it turns out.

Hehe, I'm not sure if that's better.
Yes, I agree it should not become a trivial thing. And, of course, one water skin of nasty tasting (though drinkable) water will not last the 5 of us very long. Not to mention it being pointless since we found a way out. (Which Albert doesn't know yet).

We could also steer away from a miracle and solve it with guidance (as Raynor has shown to do before)? Instead of giving us water, Raynor could just give Albert and Deoring a mental nudge. Something like:
Bad result: They are reminded of the task at hand. Get to work!
Mid result: Nothing happens -> maybe Albert drinks the water?
Good result: Raynor somehow lets them know it's ok to go and resupply.

Would something like that be a better/easier fit?

I did suggest that, yes. The outcome of the roll could be more about what Raynor feels about the request and the could tell Albert whether leaving (and coming back?) is a problem. But I am also loath to have gods weigh in on such issues, so it would only be Albert's interpretation of Raynor's will.

We should know what we are rolling for before we roll. I feel I now have enough from this discussion to make a judgement, though.

It was a good suggestion. Let's do it happen that way, then. :)
Hang on, those 2 sentences contradict each other *thinking face*. Do you need more specifications, or is it clear enough from the discussion so far?

If possible, I'd still like to involve Deoring, though. Since the party is in this together, I like the thought of not only Albert getting signs.

Not really. We could use more information, but I will make do. :)
Do you want to both roll? Then we will combine (aggregate not average) both rolls into the outcome.

Sure, that works. Are we rolling fate or +wis?

No idea, you tell me. In this case I could see argument for either, it might be a Move, but also might not quite fit the mold, since the characters might not have much control.

If we are rolling with a stat (which could also be +CHA if you are tying to convince your god to help) then you have a bit more control (choice of stat, and that being added to the dice) and better/more defined outcomes, but one of those outcomes is a defined negative, whereas there does not have to be negative outcome on the Die of Fate (it is not a Move, and does not follow those rules), but you have no way of adjusting the odds.

I'll go for the fate die. Going to add it to my last post

Well, I rolled a 1. So... Fun ensured!
Should have let TrailHead roll this alone :p

:)

Let's see if they can pull this out of the sewer.

Sorry I have been offline for a bit. My spouse's work schedule is upside down this week, involving getting up at 12:30 AM to work from 2:00 AM and it's disrupted my schedule as well. Let me jump over and roll the die of fate. (Crossing fingers.)

Yeah, sorry again about the delay. I hope my roll of 6 makes up for it?

Urgh. That does not sound like fun at all. :)
Hope it settles.
At least we agreed we weren't going to average them, else that would be a boring result. :)

That's alright :) Life happens.
I don't mind waiting on your input.

@vagueGM; I like that the weapon lights faded away. That's a good result :)

Thanks. It worked for me as an indicator and answer. Raynor blessed your weapons when you showed faith and were pursuing victory, now that you are distracted and pursuing victuals he is less interested (and the fighting was happening elsewhere).

You may be able to recapture the blessing by recommitting to Raynor's goals, and you could also learn to control it as a Special Ability (Similar to 'Bless') if we get to level up.

Yep. That was deliberate language to leave it open for you guys to fit in. Especially for our absent Roald.

If you want Deoring to help Albert instead, we can have you called over there to understudy clericing.

Added my roll. It's a 6... Maybe Raynor is unhappy with Albert right now?
Getting Asha some help might be a good enough reason for Albert to leave the temple, though. So perhaps it's a good result.. in a way.

All 6s are 'good' results. They drive the story forward.

If it feels strange to be told we 'feel better' (ease inner turmoil) [ref], remember that this is the result of a 6-. If it were a 'dragon' and a 'fear effect' we would think it fine, why not so with 'cute girl' and a 'reassurance'?