IC Thread: Ch. 1 - The Quiet Place

Sep 10, 2025 4:39 pm
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51eec6fae4b0939af71b1e00/1491188887410-CHUH8NUY9IHY7JR7YISD/VillaFinale01.jpg?format=1000wIt's Autumn in San Antonio, El Dia de Los Muertos no less, which means it's usually pretty bearable to be outside right now. Not that it's anywhere near as pleasant as it is during the single month (November) when the City actually experiences something akin to Fall. But...

... it is totally bearable.

You've been invited (let's be honest, it was more of a directive) to the "Villa Finale" in the historic district. Which you know to be an asset associated with the chantry of the 9 Traditions, here in San Antonio.

More than that though, it is the place where, at the beginning of every other fiscal quarter, representatives from the Traditions and the Technocracy meet to... well, it depends, but mostly they meet just to meet and show each other whatever good will they can manage, for however long they can manage it. There's nominally supposed to be an "open discourse" regarding the state of things in the area, a "sharing of news and ideas" and all that, but... In reality it's usually just a shared meal and a tacit acknowledgement that the other exists, and that's okay, and that they can all continue to agree not to try to kill each other... for now.

On the alternate-quarters, the meet is at the Technocracy's Tower of the Americas.

The Techno's have a firm foothold in and around Austin, and everyone knows Texas beyond that is mostly theirs anyway - at least where it matters - and so all the Factions know that they see San Antonio as the place to tactically give ground and show good will.

And? Good will is good will. And the Traditions are happy to "keep their enemy closer" than their friends here, and so they do this thing.

When and where the Factions can agree, there is some history of collaboration between the two factions here in the City. What with the Alamo and the history of the Missions, the Shroud can get rather thin here in San Antonio, and they can at least agree that the interests of the living should take precedence over those of the dead.

Most of them can, anyway... most of the time.

And so, you know that is generally what this is all about. But today is different. You know this too. Usually it is just a few figureheads from each faction that comes to these things. But today?

You're here.

You've entered the Villa Finale dining room, which for such an oppulent building is surprisingly small and intimate, and you see the Chantry Archmage for the 9, and the Chief Operations Officer of the local Techno front.

As well as two other people besides you, whom you don't know who they are.
OOC:
Alright gang, let's get into character and play some Mage!

Please help kick us off by providing a description of your character, as well as any narrative insights about what they're thinking or experiencing with this abnormal meeting before it starts.

And just a reminder, because we have disparate factions, I'm trying to give us a plausible premise for why a Techno would be "grouped up" with some Traditions Mages. And further, as I believe was discussed during charger creation, that you are each expected to roleplay so as to be a part of the "glue" that holds the group together.

I won't be "splitting the group"/running separate narratives now that we're beyond our intro threads. You're a cabal working together.

So, just to be clear, if you find that your character can't find a reason to be with and stick with the group? You can make one that will, plz

I appreciate your collaboration.

So yea, let's do it!
Sep 18, 2025 1:13 pm
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This thread is open now.
Sep 18, 2025 2:51 pm
Meeting the executive branch didn't rattle John much - he was used to it, given his corporate background. What was worrying though that it was a meeting between mage higher-ups from warring factions and nobody could tell him why he made the cut. His mentors were as perplexed as he was - with Bitsie frowning, annoyed at her own lack of knowledge; Professor shrugging aloofly, his lack of interest in the political matters on full display; while Yamamoto, the most openly concerned member of the bunch, strongly advised him to be careful and watch his back with the Technocrats. The wild rumors that his housemate and confidant Todd was spouting didn't help to calm John's nerves much either.

They would kidnap you and make a clone from your DNA, send it back to your Chantry as a spy. So while you're getting butt-probed by robots in some corporate dungeon downtown, the clone is sleeping with your wife and hanging out with your cabal. Don't even get me started on the lizardmen. Yeah, yep, that's also them. You see, they first extract.. John sighed, listening to his friend and de-facto landlord going on and on about the evils of Technocracy, as he was ironing his pants for tomorrow's big meeting. His own knowledge of the group was pretty scarce, as he in large part followed Lindsey example and was focusing most of his time at the Chantry studying. In trying to prepare for the event, John questioned all three of his mentors on the etiquette of such a gathering, but the responses were somewhat varying. In the end, he decided to fall back on his mundane know-how and simply wear his work suit.
The one place of respite from all this worrying was in his dreams. It took a bit longer than usual to let go and surrender his mind to the soft and turbulent waves of oneiro-oceans.

The "citizens" of his dream realm had a strange knack for knowing when John was stressed, depressed or otherwise needed some emotional support and talking to. This time was no different. In a matter of minutes the whole gang was occupying the small makeshift kitchen, making tea and snapping cookies. The whole dream council convened, his advisors began.. advising.

There is a lot to learn from these Masters. Perhaps if you ingratiate yourself in their inner circle.. - begins Red.

What? No way! This is such an obvious set-up! They're just going to use you as a scapegoat! What you need to do is to stay invisible. Don't talk to anyone, blend in with the rest. Damn, hide in the bathroom if you have to! You heard what Todd said. These Technocrats people are probably behind the Illuminati and the Devil's Eye.

Not that Devil's Eye nonsense again! Always with your conspiracies!

Well, maybe they just recognized how hard John was working and decided to promote him? - Tish chimes in innocently.

Yeah, right! Promote him to a butt-probe receiving SCAPEGOAT, more like. You gotta open your eyes people! I mean, why else would the leaders of the two biggest groups of mages want JOHN at their annual fancy-schmancy symposium? No offense John. - Joel, the council's foremost conspiracy "expert", stated, as he turned to John and shrugged.

After a bit more deliberation and a whole pack of consumed cookies, no clear consensus was reached, apart from "go and see, be on the lookout for any danger".
There is one more thing.. - Red's tone turned serious, and the rest of the council went quiet. - We heard the knocking again.

A strange occurrence began to appear a few weeks back. The dream folk reported someone (or something) knocking on the front door of the Demesne. John himself was yet to experience the phenomenon, but a thought of something finding and lurking behind the walls of his innermost sanctum was terrifying. Did IT find him?

Ignore it. And NEVER open the door. Or interact with it. Do not ask who it is or look into the windows. In fact, let's put up some curtains. Doctor Yamamoto was very clear about the dangers of this place and that the locals can be quite hostile to those they consider intruders. Okay?

We understand. I'll keep an eye out, don't worry John. Somewhat reassured by Red's words, John sighed heavily and chomped on another cookie.

Now about that formula we discussed..

John wondered at times if the difference in character of people inhabiting this place was due to some unconscious influence of his. Where the Malcolm he knew in life was an eccentric, rambunctious fellow, this Red was a more subdued man, acting often as a father figure, advisor and another mentor. The two of them often talked and work-shopped various rituals and discussed general structures of the hermetic practices and the foundational laws by which they function.
The dreamers dispersed after some more tea time small talk, each going about their own business - the idea that John found both fascinating and strangely reassuring. John and Red spend the rest of the night talking, until it was time to wake up.

Done with his morning routine, John donned his trusty suit, a solid salaryman look, and got into his car.

Just be careful, alright? I know the meeting's on our turf, but still. Never know what these assholes are planning. With his last bit of advice done, Todd tapped the car a few times and went back inside.
It took some time to get to the King William's Historic District due to accident related congestion. The good habit of arriving early has paid off again, John thought to himself, as the car was standing by the tall gates of the Villa Finale, waiting to be processed for entry.

Once inside, a helpful servant leads John and two other men, with whom he is unfamiliar, through the antic looking hallway, decorated with watercolor paintings of surrealistic landscapes. Nodding at the others, the young disciple waits until he is spoken to, choosing to stay to quiet for now, carefully observing the two leaders present.
OOC:
Whew. Saw this go up few days ago, and was working on this mammoth of a post since. Not sure why it turned out so big. %_%
I'm also feeling a bit of a withdrawal from the first person writing. Would it be too disruptive if I kept doing it, instead of the third?
Right, rolls. Can we make them ourselves or will you call out to make one? If the free rolling is allowed, I'd like to do a Wits+Etiquette to get the meeting's vibe and maybe Perception+Awareness to check if any magics are floating around.
Sep 18, 2025 3:48 pm
OOC:
EDIT 1: I am fine with you posting in first person, so long as you are fine with me not doing so. (And the others being welcome to use whatever method they wish.)

Please do feel free to make a roll without being prompted!

This will help me, because that's you telling me where you see gameplay, and so where you see important stuff happening, right? Which helps me understand the kind of game you want to play and the kind of story you want to tell.

In cases where it's a test with no predetermined Difficulty, we'll assume 7 as a default. Though that may be adjudicated up or down retro-actively - I will try to use that "authority" sparingly, as that basic assumption will/should no doubt inform when you may want to invoke the mechanics yourself.

Worst case scenario, I have to say, "No roll really needed here.", and we move on. Best case scenario, it will save a back and forth of me having to prompt you for a roll, which is a great outcome!

In instances where it's borderline that a roll makes sense to me, I'll default to going with the roll, pass or fail, to inform how the narrative proceeds from there.

Sound reasonable?

EDIT: 2: And ofc I will call for rolls when I see it as appropriate, if a player hasn't already.
Sep 20, 2025 9:06 am
OOC:
Read about the rolls, forgot to make them. Sigh.

Rolls

Feeling out the vibe of the meeting (Wits+Etiquette, diff 7) - (6d10)

(5596210) = 37

Sensing out active suspicious/dangerous magics (Perc+Awarness, diff 7) - (9d10)

(833672712) = 39

Sep 21, 2025 10:06 pm
Terrific, just terrific.
There are times when being noticed is good, and times when it’s bad, and when a bunch of high-ups you’ve never heard of suddenly want you at one of their high-profile events, they’re either secret fans of yours after all (ha ha!) or there’s trouble brewing. Man finds himself in that position, like Elastigirl said, either he’s in trouble, or he’s going to be.
Dominic locked the car and shouldered his keytar, the reassuring weight of the instrument settled across his back on the strap. He turned on his heel and stalked across the crunching gravel towards the house. He’d figured there was little point in trying to conform to any expectations of dress or appearance; whoever wanted him here either knew who he was already, or simply didn’t care. Either way, not much point in sucking up. Besides, most Etherites seemed to think that being overly fashionable demonstrated shallowness and a lack of Scientific rigour, both cardinal offences.
So; black boots (albeit shined). Slim trousers. Tailored leather jacket. Shades. An outfit suitable for a gig (of almost any sort).
Not that he hadn’t been thinking about this; his thoughts just hadn’t been focused on his own appearance.
Try as he might, Dominic couldn’t think of anything he’d done that seemed likely to attract this kind of attention; that suggested it was unlikely that he was here to be Called To Account for something. No, more likely someone thought they’d Found A Use for him.
Right or wrong, he wasn’t looking forward to finding out.
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Sep 23, 2025 3:19 pm
OOC:
@MaJunior you still with us ?
Sep 25, 2025 6:14 pm
John senses that the vibe is a bit tense. Rigid. Formal. Impersonal. Maybe even a little hurried. Little acknowledgement of the other party, by either party, until it must happen.

Being essentially a function of the Traditions, John knows well enough how to behave. Observe seniority. Provide your expertise when needed, or called upon. This is business not friends, so keep things brief, if cards must be played - play them close to the vest. So on...

And perhaps unsurprisingly, being within a Traditions holding with ... something short-of-friendly ... guests, John is aware - particularly upon entry to the building - of the presence of magicks lying in wait.

The exact nature however would of course require the use of his own...

Once everyone has filed in, the Archmage directs John and Dominic to seats on either side of himself at the head of the table. And the two Techno representatives are welcomed to take whatever other seats they desire at the table, whereupon the COO sits with one chair separating himself and John, with his subordinate next to him.

A wait-staff member comes in to ask and receive any requests for refreshments from those seats - water or coffee, etc. before quickly departing.

Then the Archmage launches into a formal welcome that sounds like it was scripted 300 years ago, referencing "accords" and "safe conduct" and things "by decree" for their rival faction. Before finally getting around to personal introductions.

The Archimage goes first and then gestures to John and Dominic...
Sep 25, 2025 8:56 pm
John will politely ask for a glass of water, smiling gently towards the staffer. Taking a sip to wet the slightly perched throat, he'll listen attentively to the Archmage's spiel, keeping an eye contact with the guests from other faction, but being careful not to stare. There is another peculiar fellow at the meeting, the one who arrived with a strange musical instrument on his back. Restraining his curiosity, John simply smiled at the sight, without saying anything. There was a lot of eccentrics among the Awakened and prying into their personal practices was usually not a good idea.

Dorgraff, John, bani Order of Hermes. A short, to the point introduction. The Order wasn't his "house" per se, but going into detail about his involvement with a particular group within it seems irrelevant to the conversation at hand, especially with Technocracy members present.

John will make mental note of each person in the room, trying to remember their names and affiliations. Archmage and the Techoncrats representative would be on top of the list, followed by the other two men and anyone else who is going to appear later.
Sep 29, 2025 9:26 am
Dominic, feeling slightly nervous and more than a little out of place, and not wanting more coffee, politely requests iced tea, thanking whoever delivers it. He listens to the meeting preamble with some interest; on a certain level, this meeting is most important as part of a sequence he hasn’t previously paid much attention to, not expecting it to directly impact him. However, the preamble and associated ritual is like the header file on an old piece of code; it can tell you all sorts of things about where this procedure came from, who’s been involved with it, and what it’s expected to do. Assuming political elements are involved, expectations around the table are not necessarily aligned, so he also watches for any reactions to particular phrases. Or maybe everyone else knows the agenda, and just the mooks like him weren’t kept in the loop…
"Dominic James, bani Etherites" he announces. He doesn't really expect any reaction from the Technos across the table; the split is ancient history, and he’s quite sure they already know who he is. If they care.
OOC:
Dominic expects that use of magic would likely be rude, so is trying to use mundane means to follow what’s going on while also trying to avoid betraying his own reactions; he’s playing it cool.

Rolls

Manipulation + Alertness: - (5d10)

(16348) = 22

Oct 7, 2025 7:12 pm
From there the Technocracy representatives introduce themselves, and then the Archmage proceeds into the general orders of business for these meetings.

First the visiting party is given the opportunity to air any grievances which may have occurred since the last meeting - at which point the host may respond, including any agreement for any corrective actions, this is followed by the host airing their grievance and the visitor response, but nothing of particular consequence is brought up.

The technocracy speaks of a few vulgar uses of magic by Traditions referencing specific dates times and places which "could" have been noticed by Sleepers and left Resonance that they find objectionable, and the Traditions complain of the Technocracy's exorbitant use of municipal power sources as instruments in their machinations of magic in order to keep it from becoming too vulgar...

And while the grievances are heard, ultimately no ground is given either way.

After that comes new business, at which point the leaders turn to you three.

As the host, the Archmage speaks first, "We thank you for joining us today, I'm sure you're wondering why you're here?", he smiles with a mixture of wry mirth.

"Well, our esteemed colleagues here have brought to our attention some... strangeness... in the Harmony Hills neighborhood, near the airport.

Apparently, they have been aware, for some time, of a series of disappearances in the neighborhood. It was considered a mundane matter, and so was left to Sleeper authorities, until recently...
", at this point he gestures to the technocrat COO.

"Yes, thank you, Archmage. Recently, we had an employee working in the area on an unrelated matter, and they detected a subtle, but Irrational zone of reality... In addition to a powerful Resonance.

Being unaware of any of our own activities in the area, the employee reported back, and we had no record of Traditions activity of this nature in the area either.

We brought it to the Archmage's attention here, and he confirmed our understanding.

This was just a couple days ago, and so, well... we need to investigate this unregistered activity in the area. And as neither party knows - but both WANT to know - what exactly is going on there? Well, the good sir Archmage here suggested that, due to the fortuitous timing...
", he gestures to the room and meeting at large, "That we take the opportunity to collaborate, and simultaneously, give some of our junior employees the opportunity to demonstrate their readiness - or lack thereof - for more responsibility, and more training.

Which of course brings us to you three...
", he smiles a large but toothless smile, that really doesn't reach his eyes.

He pauses, opening the floor to you three.
Oct 7, 2025 9:22 pm
John glances at the two gentlemen beside him, to see if either of them will speak out. Seeing some hesitation, he will reluctantly begin.

Umm.. Well, firstly, allow me to thank you for inviting us and granting us this opportunity. I am sure all of us present here realize the importance of inter-faction cooperation.

Memories of the corporate life rise to the surface, reminding of a usual way these cross-department projects go - awry. Each side pulls on the blanket, trying to get the credit for the whole thing, resulting in delays, easily fixable errors (which weren't due to abysmal lack of communication), and lost profits.

May I ask why the three of us were chosen for this assignment? Is it simple availability or are there certain.. talents and proclivities that fit this particular task?

Hopefully it wasn't because of what happened during the Awakening.. Was this some sort of test? Or did the three of them simply stepped into the middle of some faction pissing match? Or worse - something personal between the higher-ups? If they really do want us to investigate, perhaps they will be willing to share some information?

Can you tell us more about these.. disappearances? Anything that you already have gleaned will surely prove useful and guarantee that we are not going to be wasting your time chasing leads that you have already investigated.
Oct 8, 2025 8:22 pm
The technocrat looks to the Archmage for a response, as you are of the Traditions, "John, I chose you two not because of any particular talent or proclivity. And more because it is a task appropriate for bani, and because, by the judgement of those who know you best within the Chantry, it is simply time for you both to move beyond study and academia, and into the realm of practical application."

The COO chimes in curtly, "Yes, I would echo the general sentiment. Staying on top of matters like this is of utmost importance to the Syndicate.

James has proven to us his worth and sharpness through his business acumen.

But it is time for him to progress and focus more on his Sciences and Procedure.
"

He continues on about the disappearances, "Police records indicate a series of "low priority" - their words, not mine - disappearances occurring in the area, strung out over a course of... years, I believe.

Vagrants, homeless, street-punks. Stuff like that. Conveniently-seeming the type of people who won't be noticed or cared about too much if they disappear.

And... dissappear they have. The problem is, it's not clear if they just... disappeared from the city writ-large? Or if they disappeared... there.

Point is, that area is the last place they were seen. Some have confirmed identities and names and lives and things. Those are of little interest to us, none of them have been linked other than by, uh... their choice of lifestyle. And others do not. J. Doe's.

Beyond that? Again, our employee observed a quantum signature that deviated from baseline by at least 17%, and that was at distance. Indicating a stronger irrationality at it's core, and...
", at this stage the Archmage cuts in.

"He speaks of Resonance. They observed an unfamiliar Resonance, likely fairly powerful.

But according to their... ways... the matter was taken directly to Management, and remains uninvestigated further until now.

Your task is to investigate the source of the Resonance and report back.

And I should say, despite the ominous disappearances, we believe them to be more incidental in nature, rather than some sort of predatory situation.

The area is rundown. Development there has been hung up for years by zoning and airport domain and mundane environmental contamination issues. No Sleepers work or live in the area. Not in any legitimate capacity anyway. It's largely fenced off and most of the structures in the immediate vicinity condemned.
"
Oct 9, 2025 10:22 am
So they want us to go to some rundown homeless camp and poke around - John thought.

Finding the source of any active or leftover magics in the area shouldn't be too hard - that was kind of John's thing - but working the locals.. The rough and tough folk were not exactly his crowd. Hopefully one of the other "recruits" had enough charm and street savvy to deal with that part of the assignment. Just go in, quickly locate the problem spot and report back in. John glances at his teammates.

Don't get dragged into the Otherworlds again and don't get stabbed with a rusty knife by homeless person. Easy, yes. Just stay calm and it's going to be fine.

Yes, I understand. Is there anything else we should know? - John responds, trying to sound calm, cool and confident, while jotting down the important details in a small notepad he produced from his pocket.
OOC:
Put inner thought/monologue in italics, hope that was clear.
Oct 9, 2025 6:27 pm
The COO chimes in, "I would only add... The Syndicate does not believe in coincidences. Not of this nature. Bring your A-game. And don't fail us... it could cost you more than any potential perception of achievement here..."

Both leaders then look to OmniVox, to see if there are any questions or input from the Etherite.
Oct 10, 2025 11:05 pm
Dominic shifts in his seat, struggling unsuccessfully to keep several wry smirks from his face. "It’s practically a grim joke for me to be called an employee, semantic conventions aside. Employees get pay and benefits. As for the task, I wonder what other resources we have to call upon. Because, as I’m sure you are aware, I am by training and experience a specialist in a rather limited field which does not particularly suit me to street work. Now, I, and if I’m not mistaken, another," he inclines his head towards the young Hermetic, "similarly unsuited to such an environment, have been tasked. I can imagine my Etherite - seniors’ - amusement at throwing my name forward, but I can’t imagine them thinking me well prepared for this. And last of my immediate thoughts, the quantum signature was precisely quantified but not otherwise characterised? That seems - well, I can’t think of a better word than "sloppy" for that."
OOC:
I still haven’t entirely settled on a single Demeanour for Dominic, but he’s feeling rather patronised and that would bring out his Contrary aspect…
Apologies for the delayed response; I’m used to sites which default to subscribing to a thread anyone who posts in it. Apparently GP doesn’t do that; however, I’m now subscribed.
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Oct 13, 2025 8:07 pm
The COO clearly wants to say something but a look passes between him and the Archmage, who speaks.

"Perhaps that is the first thing to learn from your first field operation-experience, bani James:

We rarely have the luxury of dictating that nature of the challenges we must face, beyond the Chantry walls. No? It should be our greatest strength as mages to be able to adapt to our challenges. With magick or without!

That is precisely what is being asked of you here.

And surely you recognize that what our Good Friend from the Syndicate was referencing, with employees, applies to their paradigm? Not ours.
"

The Technocrat finally jumps in, "And it is not sloppy to follow protocol. Continuing to probe the situation, unprepared as they were for that task, could have lead to over-extension. It could have led to THEM being detected. Either situation could cascade into a vulgar beach of Consensus - which is VERY frowned upon, in our circles.

In this manner? We - meaning you three - have the ability to prepare. To be thoughtful about your approach.

And who knows? Maybe learn something in the process, hm?
"

The Archmage thinly veils a mirthful smirk at Dominic's perturbations of the Technocrat.
Oct 14, 2025 4:44 pm
John will wait to see if the big wigs have anything else to add or if one of his new companions has any other insights or questions. If the higher ups are done with assigning the assignment and his comrades are also finished, he will nod and say, to cover for any uncomfortable silence:

If that is all, then we shall depart. Assuming my companions here are free, we should get started immediately, in which case you can expect our preliminary report tomorrow. We thank you again for this opportunity and will try to not disappoint. Now, shall we, gentlemen?

After getting up from the table and giving the bosses another polite nod, John will allow himself, along with the Etheretrite and the Syndicate agent, to get escorted out.

Once out, he will reach out a hand for handshake, observing both men in turn.

John. Nice to meet you. So should we take a drive to see what's all the fuss is about or..?

There was a certain familiarity with the Society of Ether - both Professor Lindsey and Doctor Yamamoto, two out of three John's mentors, practiced a paradigm favoring a more scientific approach, thus allowing for a semi-frequent collaborations with the Enlightened Scientists. Both described them as an "inspired, but often weird or outright kooky bunch". The large keyboard on the Eteretrite's back did not inspire confidence.

The Syndicate, on the other hand, was a mystery to John. All he knew about them is that they are part of the Technocracy, one of their "traditions" and that they deal primarily in the financial sector. Neither seemed like they would be particularly comfortable in the pallid squalor of city's shanty towns and "bad" neighborhoods.
Oct 14, 2025 6:43 pm
Dominic shakes the offered hand with a wry, if reluctant, half smile. "Dominic, fellow reality deviant. Pleased to meet you, wish the circumstances were less drafty. I mean it, we’ve been drafted. Anyway, kind of glad to have a Hermetic along; from what I’ve heard of your history, your whole trad is made up by stitching together disparate groups into a coherent whole. That seems like a useful model for our current situation. So, I reckon we each need to know a bit about one another. I’m a student, acoustic engineering and music. My Science runs to a handful of related areas."
Oct 14, 2025 8:09 pm
The Order is quite a patchwork of groups and ideas, yeah. But, uh, acoustic engineering? That's pretty unique. I don't think I've met another willworker who worked through sound. Guess that explains the, uhh.. - John gestures at the keytar - the instrument.

I used to be in corporate myself, finance, before my, umm, Awakening.. happened. If I had to pick an area I'm good at, I'd probably say detection. Varied repertoire, but I have a particularly good nose for any Otherworlds related phenomena - spots where the Gauntlet or Shroud are thin, any denizens lurking nearby, stuff like that. I assume that is why they brought me on. I also have hands-on experience with the Dream Zone and adjacent realms. So you can leave locating the anomaly to me, should be able to pinpoint anything out of the ordinary, I think. The mundane locals I'm not so sure about..
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